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NL10 flopped quads, max value ? NL10 flopped quads, max value ?

08-07-2010 , 02:33 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $7.84
UTG+2: $2.06
MP1: $7.73
MP2: $16.49
CO: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $9.90
BB: $8.88

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 3 3
UTG raises to $0.30, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) Q 3 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, SB folds

Turn: ($2.40) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.40) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.80, UTG folds

What is the smartest way to extract max value here ?
Villain is decent but "fit or fold" type of player.
Turn and river are not helping me (not complaining, had a great flop )
Raise flop is bad i think, also dont want to scare SB.
I think a turnbet will make him fold.
What is the best play ?
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08-07-2010 , 02:37 PM
I think a small turn bet would have been better, then betting the river, as the fourth diamond hit.
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08-07-2010 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Visticode
I think a small turn bet would have been better, then betting the river, as the fourth diamond hit.
Don't know, seems like he is giving uo the hand on the turn already.
A small bet would look extra suspicious ?
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08-07-2010 , 02:47 PM
Ye after looking at it, the turn and river, mayby reraising the flop could have added some more value. It's a hard flop to hit, so if he has a queen or and over pair, he could have paid you off.
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08-07-2010 , 02:55 PM
Flop's pretty dry besides FD and he can't really continue without JJ+, Qx or a FD vs a raise so I think calling is fine to encourage some more PPs and overcards to continue and potentially let an overcard hit him.

Definitely need to bet the turn though. It kind of sucks for the range we were trying to get to continue except for Ax and FDs but at this point there's nothing that's going to make those hands call a bet on the river now either so our focus should be on maxing value from flushes, Qx and Ax. If he folds he's got the bottom/middle of his range and is folding river anyways.
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08-07-2010 , 03:05 PM
Bet turn for max value. Against most of his range he's given up by then but the hands that do continue it's a good shot for 2 streets. Against his monsters (sets of q or A) he may take this line thinking he's a lock and going you have flush and is going for c/r, same thing when he has a flush may be trying for c/r. His hands that cbet flop with an ace may be trying to pot control now that he has SD value. Qs withs diamond (KdQ) may peel. KK with a diamond will peel, JJd will peel. Honestly and othe hands your likely not getting another dime out of. One of the most common mistakes ppl make is thinking you bluff too much and this is the perfect turn to bluff so let him make the mistake.

Size both at .5psb to .75psb.

Seriosly, bet monsters like this, the profit comes in coolers anyways so max them out.
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08-07-2010 , 06:34 PM
What kind of value do you expect to get from anything but a boat or a hand with a big diamond? Bet the turn.
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08-07-2010 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Give.Me.Right.Odds
Villain is decent but "fit or fold" type of player.
If that is your read, then why not just raise the flop?

No stats posted, but he raised UTG so let's put him on a range of 88+, AQs+, AK.

First when SB checks, he's got nothing; he's folding. Yeah he could have a Q, but those chances are low. Someone with AA or KK would most likely have 3bet.

I would concentrate on getting all the monies in with UTG, who's range is pretty tight (probably, remember you didn't post his stats).

Since the board is two tone, a third diamond on the turn could kill all your action if he's sitting there with AA, KK, or AQ without a diamond. If he's got AK, JJ, TT, 99, or 88 he's folding because he's fit or fold.

I see the argument for just calling because you've got the uber nuts, but we still need to concentrate on the villains range.

So, just something to think about on the flop.

As for the turn, you absolutely have to bet. You need to start getting the monies in the middle. The Ace is a great card. KK is only a small part of his range, but AA, AK, and AQ will now probably put all the monies in the middle.
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08-07-2010 , 08:55 PM
bet turn definitely, how else are we gonna get it in?
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