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NL10, Do you stack off with TPTK at such a spot? NL10, Do you stack off with TPTK at such a spot?

02-19-2010 , 10:59 AM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $1.45
BB: $7.10
UTG: $18.20
MP: $5.25
CO: $12.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.55) T 4 Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $8.90 all in, CO calls $2.90

Turn: ($20.35) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20.35) A (2 players - 1 is all in)



no reads but villain seemed qiute a decent player.
his stats: 16/16/1.5 after 67 hands
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02-19-2010 , 11:19 AM
Why did you squeeze preflop? If you're not willing to go broke with TPTK after squeezing, just flat preflop. Getting it in here is standard. You'll be ahead a decent amount and flipping or crushed the rest of the time.
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02-19-2010 , 11:37 AM
After his c/r I would like to put him on these hands KcQc,KcJc,QcJc,QTs, I dont think he would call with 44 preflop so with this range we have :

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.316% 39.95% 00.37% 1582 14.50 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 59.684% 59.32% 00.37% 2349 14.50 { KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, QTs }

Pot odds are the same 60-40, so I think you played it OK
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02-19-2010 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Drugiz
After his c/r I would like to put him on these hands KcQc,KcJc,QcJc,QTs, I dont think he would call with 44 preflop so with this range we have :

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.316% 39.95% 00.37% 1582 14.50 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 59.684% 59.32% 00.37% 2349 14.50 { KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, QTs }

Pot odds are the same 60-40, so I think you played it OK
if you add QT and QJ to his range he surely has TT nad 44 in his range.
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02-19-2010 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WiscoFUGLY
Why did you squeeze preflop? If you're not willing to go broke with TPTK after squeezing, just flat preflop. Getting it in here is standard. You'll be ahead a decent amount and flipping or crushed the rest of the time.
original raiser was miniraising trash before so i squeezed as not to get with AQ into the multiway pot
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02-20-2010 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by glowica
if you add QT and QJ to his range he surely has TT nad 44 in his range.
I believe TT he would 3bet pre after mp minraise. 44 its not profitable to call your 3bet pre here ("villain seemed qiute a decent player").
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02-20-2010 , 05:08 AM
Standard in a 3bet pot.
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02-20-2010 , 05:23 AM
u 3bet pre, led the flop and this guy said it's time to get all in over u...seems like the upper end of his range to me.

You gotta put in 7 to win 19ish(assuming he doesn't have a fold at this point) so you have to win in that spot just over 1/3 of the time(so times you 3bet pre lead flop and they shove) search your HH and see how often TPTK wins with that action., if you have a little more history with a player this can easily be a fold but since enough of the unkowns shove with X X.....

go allin and make a note.

Last edited by Blind2itAll; 02-20-2010 at 05:34 AM.
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02-20-2010 , 05:55 AM
Most of villains range is pair + draw and you're flipping with it. So, imo standard play, it's hard to fold here.
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02-20-2010 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blind2itAll
u 3bet pre, led the flop and this guy said it's time to get all in over u...seems like the upper end of his range to me.

You gotta put in 7 to win 19ish(assuming he doesn't have a fold at this point) so you have to win in that spot just over 1/3 of the time(so times you 3bet pre lead flop and they shove) search your HH and see how often TPTK wins with that action., if you have a little more history with a player this can easily be a fold but since enough of the unkowns shove with X X.....

go allin and make a note.
i put 7 to win over 13!! his stack+ dead money, you can't include my chips IMO, am i right?

Last edited by glowica; 02-20-2010 at 07:55 PM.
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02-20-2010 , 07:43 PM
I am stacking off here v nearly any villain, this can be fds, bluffs, KQ etc
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02-20-2010 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by glowica
i put 7 to win over 13!! his stack+ dead money, you can't include my chips IMO
you are right 19 - 7 is 12 cause of the rake sorry I was tired obv stupid 4:30 AM mistake...hmm maybe I shouldn't play poker at that time either if that's how I subtract rofl

But with those odds the fold looks easier, but I call so many of these off in the heat of the action. It's really hard for me to say how much fold equity you have here cause your hands will play different...

As in my last post tho I guess if you win this situation more than 1/2 the time it's a good shove instead of the 1/3 (Fold equity would change things).

I'm sure these numbers aren't perfect but my point was more to just work out the math rather than soul reading.

What do you think glowica? I'm just curious to know if the responses helped what conclusion you come to?

Last edited by Blind2itAll; 02-20-2010 at 08:07 PM.
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02-20-2010 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Blind2itAll
you are right 19 - 7 is 12 cause of the rake sorry I was tired obv stupid 4:30 AM mistake...hmm maybe I shouldn't play poker at that time either if that's how I subtract rofl

But with those odds the fold looks easier. Unless at this point you got like 1/4 fold equity which is probably unlikely.

As in my last post tho I guess if you win this situation more than 1/2 the time it's a good shove instead of the 1/3 (Fold equity would change things).

I'm sure these numbers aren't perfect but my point was more to just work out the math rather than soul reading.

What do you think glowica? I'm just curious to know if the responses helped what conclusion you come to?

i think that if i have to win 1/2 to make it break even, the call will be improper, providing the villain is a thinking player and he does not call my 3bet with KQ. Actually he hit his set with pp of 44, but anyway the assumption before the hand was that his quite a solid player.
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02-20-2010 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Drugiz
I believe TT he would 3bet pre after mp minraise. 44 its not profitable to call your 3bet pre here ("villain seemed qiute a decent player").
I'm not one of the experts here, but that seems so reasonable to me. (Yes, I've read what Glowica wrote in a later post).

I appreciate the comments and will watch this thread with great interest.
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