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[NL10] Did I overplay KK? [NL10] Did I overplay KK?

07-24-2008 , 06:19 PM
Villain's running 50/0/1 over 25ish hands or so. I'd seen him call a lot of crap in EP. CO had been a total no factor. I was being pretty aggressive, making a lot of c-bets and raising donk bets to fold pretty successfully.

I have this bad feeling that I overplay overpairs often. Does his donk-bet and re-raise just scream set at me?

I can't just fold to the re-raise, but should I just flat call and c/c to keep pot small down to showdown? With all the draws out there I wanted to get rid of any odds he could have.

I thought maybe he had a monster draw, or was just donking up a 64, A6 something like that. His flat-call to end flop action seemed to confirm that suspicion. How's the turn shove?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $2.25
MP1: $11.55
Hero (MP2): $11.55
CO: $11.70
BTN: $1.35
SB: $5.70
BB: $7.30
UTG: $10.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 5 6 2 (3 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, CO calls $0.60, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.55) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4 all in

River: ($15.55) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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07-24-2008 , 06:28 PM
You need to raise way more on the flop; to ~$1. The fact that CO coldcalls your raise has me kinda worried, and then BB min3betting has me terrified tbh. I kinda forget the dynamics at 10NL, but I think that I would just flat the min3bet and re-evaluate the turn.

The turn is standard as played.
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07-24-2008 , 06:42 PM
What I'm about to post may be rubbish, so read with caution, it's just my take on this. Anyway...

25 hands is far too small a sample to base any reads on. FWIW I don't have my HUD showing stats untill i've got 60 hands on somebody, then I use it as a guideline. I dont think the stats really converge untill you've got a couple of hundred hands on somebody. So in this case I would ignore the read pretty much.

Preflop is fine IMO, although you could bump it up to 35/40c maybe.

On the flop you've got to raise more. I like a raise to $1.20 (that being the rough size of the pot). He might be trying to buy a cheap draw, so you can deny him the odds. Also if he's got a pair >66 in the hole, then you might get a nice call when you're way ahead.

He's now minraised you. In my (limited) experiance a tiny bet followed by a minraise usually indicates that he thinks he's got an awesome hand. If he thinks pocket 8's, pocket 9's are awesome on this board then all is good. Without reads, I wouldn't assume that he's taking this line with a draw.

The call from CO is worth considering too. Is he calling with a SD/FD or has he got a set?

If you'd made a bigger raise on the flop then I think your decision would be easier.
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07-24-2008 , 09:27 PM
Someone who is playing 50% of their hands even after 25 hands without raising is pretty loose. He isn't on the biggest heater of mediocre hands anyone has ever seen.

Like everyone else, raise more on the flop. I like $1.50. The rest of the hand is standard. It's just a cooler if he has two pair or a set.
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07-24-2008 , 09:34 PM
Raise bigger on the flop with the intention of getting it in vs BB. The CO cold call is scary (if u raised bigger), but if he's a bad player, I guess you don't need to be too worried. But getting it in vs the BB here is standard.
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07-24-2008 , 09:59 PM
raise bigger preflop...

personally i like to raise to 4.5bb+1bb per limper. in this case i would raise to at least 45 or 50 cents then pot the flop.

unbelievable if he showed up w/ 34 suited lol
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07-24-2008 , 10:08 PM
Bet sizing needs work.
Raise to $0.40 preflop.
Raise to $1.25-$1.50 on the flop.
Turn is standard.

Stacking off against these partial stacks with strong overpairs is pretty standard, especially when they have history of being donks.
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07-24-2008 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Bet sizing needs work.
Raise to $0.40 preflop.
Raise to $1.25-$1.50 on the flop.
Turn is standard.

Stacking off against these partial stacks with strong overpairs is pretty standard, especially when they have history of being donks.
+1

Players like this will typically think that 77-AA is the nuts here as often as they have a set. Cold calling here could mean a set or a flush draw.
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07-24-2008 , 11:28 PM
i'd probably be thinking maybe baby ace with a flush draw maybe A6 or perhaps A3 but i'd probably be thinking that my kings were good.
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07-25-2008 , 12:05 AM
Agree with the thread. More PF, more post flop. Stack off and love every minute of it.

Remember you're playing against his possible range here not just what beats you. A player of that "caliber" can think their 77-JJ, A6 is good here. Doubt a set or 34 is possible, seeing as he'd probably play that slowly on the flop. At worst you're up against 65 here imo.
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07-25-2008 , 10:19 AM
gross. I think I try to get it in on the flop as you played it.

TP/overP hands want an SPR of like 6 or less, optimal being 4 or less. This destroys odds for setminers. What does that mean for an appilcation? You want a pot on the flop of around $2 or more. You're in MP2, so you can make a pretty big raise and still plan to get called. With 10nl being as stationy as it is, 1 call is pretty much guaranteed if not more. Make a raise to about .80-.90ish. This will make your flop decision a LOT easier. I know this seems high, but you'll need to be balancing your range. What I mean by that is doing this with more than KK+. Do it with AQo here and there (but not all the time). That way you can extract when you have better than a "crappy" AQ! I'll do this, albeit against more observant opponents, with hands like 22 or 98s once in a while. (this is at 50nl+) I try to always go to showdown with these marginal hands to put it in their heads that I'm always bluffy and stupid. I did this yesterday with 66 and drilled bottom set to riv a boat. My opponent stationed me with top pair worst kicker! This was for stacks!
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