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NL10 [Deep] - Call squeeze IP, hit a flop HARD. Best line to take? NL10 [Deep] - Call squeeze IP, hit a flop HARD. Best line to take?

07-29-2010 , 06:15 PM
Squeezing villain is a 19/15 reg w/ whom I have some history. Not as far as showing down big bluffs and such, but things like squeezing each other wide, 3b wide, raising cbets, etc. He has squeezed my opens quite a bit, and being this deep and knowing the fishy guy behind would call also, I come along. Also, I feel I have a decent edge over this villain IP. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

The main thing is on the flop, its about as good of one as we can hope for. Villain leads out, which is normally an indicator of real strength, but I've seen him cbet in 3way pots w/ no piece of the board as well, so it's not a given that he has AA/KK here.
My question is, when we have such equity vs any range, is it best to flat and see a turn, put in a std'ish raise (3-4x), or just shove it in and prepare for variance if called? Personally, I dont mind the variance, and being this deep I think our FE is good, so I shove it in.
Thoughts? How would u play this hand/similar hands otf & beyond?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $20.00
Hero (CO): $37.01
BTN: $29.30
SB: $20.55

Pre Flop: ($0.23) Hero is CO with 5 7
Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.10, BTN calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.68) 4 6 Q (3 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $35.49 all in (villain has ~16 left behind)

Last edited by kp1022; 07-29-2010 at 06:28 PM. Reason: effective stack sizes
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07-29-2010 , 06:24 PM
your raise size is insane
NL10 [Deep] - Call squeeze IP, hit a flop HARD. Best line to take? Quote
07-29-2010 , 06:29 PM
I like raising better rather than just shoving it all in.
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07-29-2010 , 06:29 PM
i'd prolly flat this flop this deep ur getting his stack with an overpair if u hit and he's giving up with AK type hands on the turn anyways
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07-29-2010 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evgeni_g
your raise size is insane
Cool. Care to elaborate? What line would u take?
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07-29-2010 , 06:43 PM
I can't do the math right now, but if you raise the flop x3, maybe you will have pot sized bet on the turn with a lot of fe (bu is still in the hand).
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07-29-2010 , 06:55 PM
4b/fold pre, raise flop to ~$8 to $8.5 imo


I think the main thing here is probably folding pre > 4betting pre > calling pre
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07-29-2010 , 06:57 PM
Raise size is insane because what would you ever jam for value here? If he can hand read at all you're basically turning your hand face up.
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07-29-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NoMeansNo
4b/fold pre, raise flop to ~$8 to $8.5 imo


I think the main thing here is probably folding pre > 4betting pre > calling pre
We're 300bb and in position.
NL10 [Deep] - Call squeeze IP, hit a flop HARD. Best line to take? Quote
07-29-2010 , 06:58 PM
I like calling pre this deep.
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07-29-2010 , 06:59 PM
calling is slightly better since you're still 160bb deep

shoving is okay too
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07-29-2010 , 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evgeni_g
I can't do the math right now, but if you raise the flop x3, maybe you will have pot sized bet on the turn with a lot of fe (bu is still in the hand).
If I'm not mistaken, if we raise 3x here (making it $9 total), and villain calls, there will be ~$23 in the pot and villain will have ~10 left. Wheres the FE? A small/std raise is by far and away the worst option imo, calling or shoving is def more +ev.
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07-29-2010 , 07:06 PM
To those who advocate calling, what is your plan on brick turns? If facing a 2nd barrel? If checked to?
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07-29-2010 , 07:09 PM
you did this cause you got excited and couldn't think of a better idea probably.
I'd call his raise, or reraise 3x.
we have a lot of equity in this pot and its a shame to waste this golden opportunity (he can't really call here I think, unless he has QQ AK\AQcc, is an idiot or thinks you are). and whereas half our equity comes from a flush that would make our villain suspicious the other half are the nut straights which will go unnoticed more often by villain and lead to a nice 300bb win.
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07-29-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh!
We're 300bb and in position.
oops, I thought all stacks at the table were 200bb, I really don't know how to play poker 300bb deep...

I'd make the flop ~$10.5 to $11 and ship all turns.

Last edited by NoMeansNo; 07-29-2010 at 07:14 PM.
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07-29-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Skaplun
you did this cause you got excited and couldn't think of a better idea probably.
I'd call his raise, or reraise 3x.
we have a lot of equity in this pot and its a shame to waste this golden opportunity (he can't really call here I think, unless he has QQ AK\AQcc, is an idiot or thinks you are). and whereas half our equity comes from a flush that would make our villain suspicious the other half are the nut straights which will go unnoticed more often by villain and lead to a nice 300bb win.
How about u not try to be a psychologist on poker forums? Does it make u feel smarter to belittle others?
U'd call his raise? Or reraise? Those options are not even possible considering the action(s). Maybe instead of taking the time/energy to spout out about how I'm just clicking buttons u should comprehend what it is that u are reading.
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07-29-2010 , 07:23 PM
Sorry, I thought SB is 300bb deep. So we can raise to $6~7 and shove every turn. Do we realy shove AA here, if it matters?
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07-29-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kp1022
How about u not try to be a psychologist on poker forums? Does it make u feel smarter to belittle others?
U'd call his raise? Or reraise? Those options are not even possible considering the action(s). Maybe instead of taking the time/energy to spout out about how I'm just clicking buttons u should comprehend what it is that u are reading.
I apologize for offending you.
moving on.
pre I think your call is fine.
OTF I think I would decide between reraising the flop or calling based on how I percieve villain (why did you write that those are not viable options?).
but I dont think I'd shove because villain would have to be crazy to call a shove without hands that have alot of equity or dominate our range such as AK\aq cc or QQ.
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07-29-2010 , 07:49 PM
is calling pre really going to be profitable?

postflop is going to play itself imo
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07-29-2010 , 07:54 PM
villan has $16 left...
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07-29-2010 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gateswi
is calling pre really going to be profitable?

postflop is going to play itself imo
I still think: folding pre > 4betting pre > calling pre
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07-29-2010 , 08:16 PM
call flop. if you raise you only get it in as a flip, hes never gonna rebluff or anything. so call and take the implied odds.
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