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11-07-2013 , 06:01 AM

KP24

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $8.65 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: $13.64 (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 51)
BB: $16.78 (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $13.44 (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 17.71, 3Bet Preflop: 9.47, Hands: 492)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 8

BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.55, 2 players) J

BB checks, Hero bets $1.05, BB raises to $2.10
Just fold here? Don't think much worse or bluffs do you?

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11-07-2013 , 06:03 AM

zaiga000

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Just fold. Best you can hope for is KdQd and he probably just check/calls that a lot as well.

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11-07-2013 , 06:33 AM

ExpectedV

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I fold pre until I get more hands on ppl at the table. As played, turn is an easy fold.

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11-07-2013 , 07:59 AM

500kg

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Can't see where you think you're getting value from on the turn. I'd check back the turn.

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11-07-2013 , 08:10 AM

Raskolnikow

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Originally Posted by 500kg

Can't see where you think you're getting value from on the turn. I'd check back the turn.

this.

but i think you have to call any river then since his range is still very wide. if checked to otr b/f.

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11-07-2013 , 08:23 AM

500kg

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I also think there's an argument to be made for checking back the flop seeing as though it's slightly less likely 44-77 will c/c being that we're UTG.

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11-07-2013 , 08:33 AM

Franchise804

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fold turn

i open ATs from UTG but agree with ExpectedV nonetheless

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11-07-2013 , 08:55 AM

Winged Kuriboh

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Think that turn should be bigger.

Not folding pre with this fish in the blinds.

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11-07-2013 , 09:01 AM

Ohhesdamned

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Originally Posted by 500kg

I also think there's an argument to be made for checking back the flop seeing as though it's slightly less likely 44-77 will c/c being that we're UTG.

It'd be a wrong one

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Originally Posted by Winged Kuriboh

Think that turn should be bigger.

Not folding pre with this fish in the blinds.

This

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11-07-2013 , 09:24 AM

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TWhelan

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I open worse Axs UTG than ATs

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11-07-2013 , 09:32 AM

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CCM

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Folding pre is *EWgaewh3##235
I think turn is fine vs this guy and fold to the miniraise

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11-07-2013 , 03:23 PM

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PantherXYZ

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pre is super standard, folding is ultra nitty,

turn bet is good, plenty of value since people often 3b JJ/AK pre here and they tend to defend much wider closing action, getting good odds, so many worse Axs and some Axo to get value from, and also some fd's or floats that picked up a pair like KdJx etc

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11-07-2013 , 05:10 PM

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ExpectedV

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I guess pre is standard considering this guy is in the blinds, missed that the first time around. Opening this pre on any table is not good tho.

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11-07-2013 , 05:52 PM

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ChrisDonk

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Hard to give villain credit for a hand here but sigh fold turn and wait for a better spot against such a seemingly active player. Min raise reaks.

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11-08-2013 , 01:46 AM

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PantherXYZ

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id open it any table, gonna get too many folds pre to just open fold it

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11-08-2013 , 02:13 AM

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cardbrute

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it's a fish,

bet/fold all day long and just keep betting, 3 streets for value is fine even if diamond comes in

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11-08-2013 , 08:11 AM

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Franchise804

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Originally Posted by ExpectedV

I guess pre is standard considering this guy is in the blinds, missed that the first time around. Opening this pre on any table is not good tho.

fwiw ATs is a good 4bet bluff hand

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11-08-2013 , 08:15 AM

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dhnotimba

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The baluga theorem says TPTK not good when raised on turn. You even don't have TPTK, fold.

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11-08-2013 , 10:13 AM

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Calm Down

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obv open ATs on any table, this should not be a discussion
meh fold on turn

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11-08-2013 , 11:21 AM

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PKRking

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Should i just be folding A rag UTG? I know it depends on how my table is playing but lately i have included hands lik A2s-A5s in my open raise from EP and folding to 3bets. Is this bad, should i just be folding and wait for better hands?

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11-08-2013 , 11:24 AM

#21

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depends on your overall utg range
A2s-A5s is one of the first things you could/should remove from your range

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11-08-2013 , 12:02 PM

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PKRking

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Im usually opening around 20% UTG but mixing in small suited A's instead of some hands, again depends on if table is tight/loose.
Is this too wide to open??

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11-08-2013 , 12:09 PM

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Ohhesdamned

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Yup 20% is very wide

Sent from my GT-I9300 using 2+2 Forums

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11-08-2013 , 12:10 PM

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StabbyMcKillYou

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Originally Posted by 500kg

Can't see where you think you're getting value from on the turn. I'd check back the turn.

Lol, draws all over, obv you can only get 2 streets but better Tibet and be called on the turn than the river. Betting river is terrible imo

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11-09-2013 , 05:20 AM

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500kg

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Originally Posted by StabbyMcKillYou

Lol, draws all over, obv you can only get 2 streets but better Tibet and be called on the turn than the river. Betting river is terrible imo

Care to tell me the range you think he call with preflop, the range he calls the flop with and the hands out of that range you think you get value from on this turn?

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