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09-16-2009 , 10:42 AM

#51

skraper

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tldr

c/f flop obv

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09-16-2009 , 10:47 AM

#52

RML604

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Second orbit at table, villain has played one hand and PFR and cbet and took down the pot. Comments on all streets will be ignored, because I played this hand perfectly and am better than every reg on this forum.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $12.53
SB: $10.15
BB: $10.43
UTG: $4.80
MP: $15.06
Hero (CO): $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.70, BTN calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.25) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $10.48 all in, Hero calls $5.10 all in

FYP

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09-16-2009 , 10:56 AM

#53

High_SocietyA9

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If anyone was wondering villain fliped Q2o. And I will try to do some EV calcs when I get some free time.

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09-16-2009 , 11:04 AM

#54

Ligic

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Congratz, you are a truly a poker genius and cr this flop is just so 7th level thinking that we simply don't understand your complicated thought process.

edit. pls comment my last post i dont wanna feel left out

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09-16-2009 , 11:07 AM

#55

nalgame

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well at least know you have a read that this unknown is a complete idiot who leads out with TPNK calls a c/r and is a luckbox.

nicehand

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09-16-2009 , 11:08 AM

#56

GOONERCAM

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Originally Posted by Ligic

What the f is going on in this thread seriously.
Bet flop, bet turn, bet river.

lmao this thread should have ended here.

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09-16-2009 , 11:08 AM

#57

MCHpow_pow

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

If anyone was wondering villain fliped Q2o. And I will try to do some EV calcs when I get some free time.

cr'ing this flop is a valid line fwiw.

...though against an unknown (who at these stakes, is likely a passive calling station), a bet, bet, bet line is probably better.

cr'ing this flop when you have a solid image versus an ok reg who can hand read will often get played back at light... i.e. a reg isnt going to expect another reg to be cr'ing TP on a fairly dry board.

Basically, standard lines are great to use in most situations... But there's nothing wrong in thinking outside the box and playing certain hands unconventionally when the opportunity arises (even though this hand didnt exactly fit the bill).

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09-16-2009 , 12:34 PM

#58

likminutz

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Everyone's already said why your c/r isn't the best line, but you clearly just wanted everyone to agree with you. It's not a terrible idea, but you have no history with villain and you seem to be very results oriented from this hand.

Anyway, I see the turn as a definite fold. Since you like to throw around poker terms, look up beluga theorem.

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09-16-2009 , 01:51 PM

#59

MDoranD

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made it about 15 posts in then realized OP was a ****** and stopped reading.

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09-16-2009 , 01:55 PM

#60

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

made it about 15 posts in then realized OP was a ****** and stopped reading.

lol

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09-16-2009 , 01:55 PM

#61

High_SocietyA9

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

made it about 15 posts in then realized OP was a ****** and stopped reading.

Says the guy with 7k posts that still posts coolers with results.

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09-16-2009 , 01:56 PM

#62

skraper

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Says the guy with 7k posts that still posts coolers with results.

but he's really really ridiculously good looking...

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09-16-2009 , 01:59 PM

#63

High_SocietyA9

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Originally Posted by skraper

but he's really really ridiculously good looking...

Ya its ironic his avatar is zoolander, lol.

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09-16-2009 , 02:08 PM

#64

MDoranD

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Says the guy with 7k posts that still posts coolers with results.

eh? link or it didnt happen

stop trying to change the subject off how lame your thread/reasoning is

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09-16-2009 , 02:15 PM

#65

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

eh? link or it didnt happen

stop trying to change the subject off how lame your thread/reasoning is

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09-16-2009 , 02:23 PM

#66

Ligic

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I like how we have pretty much every uNL reg here except a few, (gateswi, ksight and mooeeoom at least) telling op he is just simply wrong & thinking suboptimal.
But all we get is

"TAGFISH LOL N00b"

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09-16-2009 , 02:41 PM

#67

Dumuzi

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bet bet bet. 3 streets of value against worse Qx or worse one pair, and keep charging draws.

theres no way to know what range an unknown will bet when checked to on this flop, but in general he will proceed with a tightish range to a c/r. in this specific hand villain continued with Q2, but lots of the time they will fold to the c/r or then to the turn bet. max money goes in from just betting 3 times. its also possible he checks behind the flop with Q2 and now we only get 2 streets of value.

bet->bet->bet for value >>>> c/r (who knows what unknown bets or calls the raise)->bet (may fold lots)

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09-16-2009 , 07:27 PM

#68

Ksight3

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Bump for epic-ness.

TBH a C/R line is somewhat valid. I remember I toyed around with this, and when you check as the PFR, villain typically bet nearly their entire range because they think you're giving up. When you C/R, they also look you up lighter because they're like "WTF? I call!"
Which makes for an amazing line when you have the nuts vs. a reg

So...in this particular spot, I prefer bet/bet/bet

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09-16-2009 , 07:32 PM

#69

skraper

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i didn't read entire thread, but I think c/r TP type hands as the PFR should be your secondary play and mainly for balance

in general misses a lot of value bc we miss out on the large river bets if villain checks behind (which he will do some decent %)

fwiw i think "debate" moved quickly from whether or not c/r was best to whether or not you should ask for advice if you already assume you played hand optimally

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09-16-2009 , 07:34 PM

#70

Ksight3

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FWIW I don't believe we ever really need to balance a C/R as PFR

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09-16-2009 , 07:40 PM

#71

skraper

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maybe balance is the wrong word

I honestly can't think of a time where I have c/r as the PFR HU unless stacks were very short

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09-16-2009 , 09:12 PM

#72

bennymacca

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i must admit i lol'd hard when you said that villain rolled Q2

if he is willing to call and possibly stack off with Q2, then you may as well bet. its a much simpler way to get his stack, and as has been said about a million times, he will call with more when you just bet than when you check raise.

why not use the simplest way to win?

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