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02-18-2016 , 07:31 AM
I like to call with AKS but here i have a problem, he bets very small at flop, so i call with the BDFD.
Now i ask if he is bad or my bluff is ?
He checks the turn i bet and he calls.
River is another 7 and i bluff again.
Now im representing AJ,JJ,99 im not sure if he thinks i bet with QQ.
Because he called with less then top pair here and i ask me if this is good or bad from him or if my bluff is bad ?
What hands do i bluff here ?
Maybe QTs 4 combos and AKs,AQs 8 combos but i have many AJ combos and of course i dont bluff every time or the popuation dont bluff every time here.


888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 21.1 BB
SB: 29.5 BB
BB: 215 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 103.3 BB
Hero (CO): 138.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 8.9 BB, Hero calls 6.1 BB

Flop: (18.3 BB, 2 players) J J 9
BB bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Turn: (32.3 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 18.1 BB, BB calls 18.1 BB

River: (68.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 51.3 BB, BB calls 51.3 BB
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02-18-2016 , 07:35 AM
What do u want to bluff him off? He could easily have a jx in his range tbh. Think this is a **** board to bluff on
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02-18-2016 , 07:58 AM
Do you have some stats? That would say something more about his tencencies. As played, check turn you still beat some broadways like KQ, AQ.
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02-18-2016 , 08:06 AM
I hadnt stats ingame but after his small flopbet i really thought, that i take the pot down at turn if i bet.
After his call i gave him TT,T9s is not this likely and i thought he has to fold, so i dont think if i give him less then Trips and also not an overpair my bluff at river is bad, after game i saw he is kind of regular and i wondered of his rivercall, because what do he think i play like this.
He blocked the 9 with his T9s, for that reason he propably called because i have only one combo of 99 and one JJ, but i have many combos with a J and only maybe 10-20% bluffs here.

Last edited by philkill; 02-18-2016 at 08:18 AM.
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02-18-2016 , 08:10 AM
I do not think u should ask yourself if his call is a good one, but if your bluff is a good one, and i think this is a pretty meh board to bluff. I mean what would his range be?
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02-18-2016 , 08:20 AM
What are you trying to make him fold on the turn?
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02-18-2016 , 08:21 AM
I just thought that bluffing turn and keep bluffing river against the range i expect him to have if he folds enouph at river, say over 50% with TT or T9s or 88 i make more then if i only check the turn and hope to win at showdown.
I often did this double bluffs after a check and it worked really often against al but not total callingmachines.
Again i thought he fold TT now and i think he should because doublebluffs are not common, esp what should i bluff like this, most cb at turn with al but total floats and at river they often give up.
I wanted to tell the history to the river that i have FH or Trips and thought the FE on both streets are high, esp at river.

I looked at the player, he is a River callingmachine.

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 140.2 BB
SB: 119.9 BB (VPIP: 21.83, PFR: 15.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 202)
BB: 107.7 BB (VPIP: 24.28, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 6.65, Hands: 955)
UTG: 57.2 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
MP: 119.7 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 59 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 28)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, SB raises to 24 BB, BB calls 15 BB

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 8 6 9
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) 7
SB checks, BB checks

River: (48 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, BB bets 83.7 BB and is all-in, SB calls 83.7 BB

SB shows J J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 57%, Flop 75%, Turn 82%)
BB shows Q A (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 43%, Flop 25%, Turn 18%)
SB wins 202.8 BB


888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.4 BB (VPIP: 28.30, PFR: 18.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 56)
Hero (SB): 103.1 BB
BB: 113.8 BB (VPIP: 19.88, PFR: 14.91, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 166)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.30, PFR: 15.40, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 545)
MP: 86 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
CO: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 24.67, PFR: 19.36, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 928)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 9 4 J
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

Turn: (6 BB, 3 players) J
Hero bets 4.5 BB, BB calls 4.5 BB, fold

River: (15 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 7.5 BB, BB calls 7.5 BB

Hero shows K J (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 65%, Flop 79%, Turn 100%)
BB shows 9 Q (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 35%, Flop 21%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 28.3 BB

Last edited by philkill; 02-18-2016 at 08:47 AM.
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02-18-2016 , 08:24 AM
Maybe.

The point is that when he checks turn you actually have quite a lot of showdown value since you beat all unpaired hands. Trying to bluff him off TT/T9s is such a small range to target that it doesn't make much sense.

Should be 4-betting pre though.
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02-18-2016 , 09:19 AM
Normally i like calling with AK in both quite lose scenarios and tight if i have position.
With 4-betting you isolate against QQ+,AK and have poor Equity against.
In this 50k hands i had bad luck with calliing, but i lost against AA on A flop, against AJ o n AJ flop, against AQ on TJx he checked i checkd Turn K and this 2 times.
And one time i lost against AQ on AxxxQ.
So 4 times i lost big money aginast AQ,AJ and this is of course variance and one time with FD against AA.
So EV is like 0 and i had massive bad luck losing 4 times big agianst AQ,AJ instead of other case.
In tight 3-bet scenarios you even cant 4-bet/call AK profitable, also have to say.
And on BTN on CO with this hand it should be clear how bad i ran.

Last edited by philkill; 02-18-2016 at 09:44 AM.
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02-18-2016 , 12:38 PM
You make so much more money by 4betting this.

If villain folds alot vs 4b's just start adding in more 4b bluffs.

At some point villain adjusts by 3betting less hands, which lets you realise more equity with your weaker range or starts 5b bluffing and stacking off with a wider value range.

I don't have anything major against a flatting range that includes some combos of AKs but it would mostly be vs good regs i have at least a couple thousand hands on.

As played, check turn, only getting folds from worse.
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