felt a bit lost in this hand. his line confused me... 4! pre and calling on flop on this dry board. only hand i can see me getting value of here are strangely played KK, maybe JJ?

as played: should i bet turn again? or go at least for river value?

or how about a check back flop and bet (or call) turn line?






PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $7.86 (79 bb)
MP: $4.05 (41 bb)
CO: $19.28 (193 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb)
SB: $11.89 (119 bb)
BB: $5.02 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A♠ A♣
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero 3-bets to $1.30, 3 players fold, CO 4-bets to $2.50, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($5.45) 4♣ Q♥ Q♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.81, CO calls $2.81

Turn: ($11.07) T♣ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.07) 5♣ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

your line confuses me

shove pre - why the 4bet call???

Yeah, what's the reasoning for calling the 4bet? Why didn't you bet OTT?

agree with the shove preflop.

as played, i like a value bet on the river, what hands 4bet pre that have you beat? really only pocket queens, extremely unlikely villian 4bets a hand like AQ with 193 bbs.

I think this is a bet OTR, other than that nh

At that SPR his line is weird as **** though

I think the most likely thing is he could be scared because a lot of peoples flat claling a 4bet range is heavy on AQs so he is just playing like a lil b with KK

Highly unlikely that he checks back a queen twice.

He either walked into AKcc and decided to slow play or he's beat. Shove for value to put KK in a bad spot.

Can't speak for OP but if 10nl doesn't have many 5bet bluffs to balance your 5bet value hands isn't it reasonable to just call the 4bets with your big hands. In other words if you don't have any 5bet bluffs you aren't allowed to have any 5bet value bets

Why would you not want to have 5 bet bluffs?

I think in micros against most regs it's a mistake to 5bet bluff since a lot of them are 4betting to call it off 90% the time.
Once you have reads or stats on him and you know he 4bets well, I'd start 5bet bluffing say with A5s

So why aren't we 5 bet shoving AA?

This is when people focussing on balance starts to become riduculous.

jam this pre
ap x or bet small otf

I'm actually talking about playing imbalanced to exploit pools tendency to 4bet too strong and 4bet-call too often.
If V only 4bets AK, QQ+ and calls it off always then for sure shoving KK+ and taking different lines with QQ, AK sounds like a good exploitative strategy.

So I'm not talking about this hand played by OP ofc, he called it pre because that's the GTO line, exploitatively it has to be a great 5bet jam

Yeah, you replied to my question to someone else. But the logic appears to be:
Villain isn't balanced, they never 4 bet bluff
Therefore we shouldn't 5 bet bluff, as they will always call
If we can't 5 bet bluff, we can't ever 5 bet because we need to be balanced.

I just wanted to point out to people how crazy that is.

Yeah yeah I disagree we shouldn't vbet if we don't have bluffs

Has everyone forgotten that GTO play is not always optimal. I learned this about 15 years ago when there was serious discussion about poker that you should 4bet to 32bb or something with 64s to get direct odds to call 5bet jam vs AA 100bb deep. I've never even bothered to do the math if it was correct or not. Yes, poker was like that back in the days.

GTO play is good only if your villain plays GTO. Usually it is not the way making most money. I don't play NL10 and I hardly ever read forums anymore. If we shove AA and KK preflop here always villain can't know that unless he/she has like 100 billion hands on us. Being balanced is important but I think this is the wrong spot to do that. Also I'm not sure in NL10 most villains even know what a balanced strategy is.

5bet jam pre! With 200bb effective I'd like a flat more.

As played jam river. Turn check is fine I guess. And I'd bet flop smaller like 1/3 pot maybe even 1/4 pot to give his ak/spewy hands good price to continue or to do something stupid

Sorry if I explained my point bad. I mean the exploit should be only value 5betting against tight 4bets, and not bluffing at all. So the opposite of GTO

Well what makes you think villain is 4betting light here? There is no such info. In general if I see a random player 4betting my first instict is not that he is doing it with t4 or something like that. Maybe NL10 is different. And if he has some crappy hand he can also call a shove with it thinking "well my bluff didn't work but pot is big so let's gamble"...

sure I would just 5bet jam Aces here against unknown and it's probably hte highest EV line, but flatting can't be wrong either

jam pre or get it in on 2 streets...

Its so weird to make an easy hand like this so complicated....