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10-08-2008 , 05:36 PM

BCI23

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BB is 22/14 over 330 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

CO: $1.90
Btn: $5.75
Hero (SB): $19.45
BB: $16.80
UTG: $25.90
UTG +1: $11.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A

2 folds, CO limps, Btn folds, Hero (sb) raises to $.30, BB calls $.20, CO folds

Flop: ($.70) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $.40, BB calls

Turn: ($1.50) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $.90, BB raises to $16.20 all-in, Hero ????

What is he raising 8x pot with on the turn? Nothing less than an 8? Easy fold here?

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10-08-2008 , 06:14 PM

juguerra

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Yeah, you're beaten.

Thank him for the stupid all in, fold and move on to the next hand.

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10-08-2008 , 06:19 PM

jaysu

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Bet 0.55 on the flop and 1.3 on the turn though please, wouldn't have mattered here but if he calls with a draw you are giving him a good price.

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10-08-2008 , 06:25 PM

The Syntax

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With those stats, Villain is bluffing here maybe 1% of the time.

Should have raised more preflop imo.

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10-08-2008 , 06:58 PM

Bigheadarch1

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Raise to 50c preflop giving the bb great odds to call with any number of hands, with the assumption that CO is coming along for the ride as well. Bet sizing on flop and turn is low as well. As played I fold this here and wait for a better spot.

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10-08-2008 , 07:13 PM

Ksight3

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should've raised more pf and bet more flop / turn.

as played dis is a fold imo

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10-08-2008 , 07:30 PM

tcmNOWAY

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Looks like 8x, maybe twos full or fours full. I can't imagine an overpair would believe they're good here, and I highly doubt a combo draw would semi-bluff here. You're almost never facing air here, don't have great equity against a semi-bluff, and these kinds of bets are the goods almost every time. So fold.

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10-08-2008 , 08:36 PM

Zeth

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Villain has an 8 or a full house, put you on a pair of aces and, since this is NL10, Villain figures you're going to refuse to lay them down, so he's making a play for your whole stack, hoping you'll get suspicious and call with your aces. Given that it's NL10, I'm not even convinced it's a terrible idea; a lot of opponents (but thankfully, not you or hopefully anyone else is here) will fall for it and stack off with their aces.

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10-08-2008 , 09:20 PM

High_SocietyA9

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Wow why are we folding this hand? Even the dumbest person knows that this method is not the best way to get money in the middle. If anything it would make more sense to them to do it on the river, right? Even that is the most basic of common sense. Clearly this range is air/nuts (or an overpair which we beat) and like always when it is airs/nuts there is way more air in this mix, so I feel calling is optimal. As for betting size, larger bets is better to try and stack villain but it is not pivotal as stacking donks in UnL does not require any master plan.

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10-08-2008 , 10:41 PM

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Navie

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baluga theorem applies here, with those stats, if his bluffing he must be masturbating while playing.

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10-09-2008 , 02:13 PM

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The Syntax

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Clearly this range is air/nuts (or an overpair which we beat) and like always when it is airs/nuts there is way more air in this mix,

That is so incorrect.

Just because someone's range is nuts or nothing doesn't mean there is always more nothing than nuts.

Imagine an extremely tight player 3-betting preflop, making a large bet on the flop, raising a lead out on the turn, and then making a big bet on the river.

In that situation his range is pretty much nuts or air, but he has the nuts 90%+ of the time.

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10-09-2008 , 02:26 PM

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monkeymaps

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you prob see some stupid crap here once and awhile but on the whole unless you have some sort of read that his guy is a little loopy this is prob a fold/make a note.

if youve been playing realy tight I think even donky players do this once and a while hoping you cant fold your overpair.

try to include agression stats in your OP if you have them.

to the whole nuts/air thing what kind of true is air callilng our flop bet really?

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