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10-21-2016 , 11:02 AM

ExpectedV

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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2975194
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BTN: $7.63
Hero (SB): $10.45
BB: $8.38
UTG: $11.12
CO: $10.54

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 2

1 fold, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.30) K

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.30, BB folds, CO calls $0.30

River: ($0.90) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, CO raises to $10.14 all in, Hero??

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10-21-2016 , 11:26 AM

Haizemberg93

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Not leading flop is mistake imo.Any reads?
33 T2 T3 for value that beats you no bluffs and I dont know you think he can overplay Tx or K this way I guess not.Its a fold unless you have a read that V is SUPER bad and can bluff this way or can value own him self with weaker hand and you have KT and 33 in your range so its not like you are on apsolut top of your range.From theory point of view you should call with top 14 % to not be exploited so fold looks fine

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10-21-2016 , 11:41 AM

mchares

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Yes Id definitely lead otf

How much you would lead flop?? 3/4? 2/3? pot? and why?

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10-21-2016 , 12:11 PM

ExpectedV

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No draws on flop and if they have Tx they will bet. I rather c/r and if it goes x/x and they hit a card not a bad thing.

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10-21-2016 , 12:12 PM

Leia Amidala

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

.From theory point of view you should call with top 14 % to not be exploited so fold looks fine

how did you come up with this figure?

on the hand. tough call. But i am not seeing him have 33s or KT often. Both would have bet the flop. limping on the CO so seems like a fish who can overplay a lot of Tx hands we beat.

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10-21-2016 , 12:20 PM

Haizemberg93

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I wold go full pot as a minimum maybe even bigger,if soembody have T here he will call no matter what so for value and most pp will call 3-5BB on flop just to see what happens ott and FD call because they think they have big impl odds,so 5BB looks like fine size to lead

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10-21-2016 , 12:25 PM

Haizemberg93

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Originally Posted by Leia Amidala

He risks 10,14 to win 1,55 in the pot,so he auto profits if we fold more then 10,14/(10,14+1,55) which is 86% that mean we need to call with 14 % of hand so V cant do this with any two cards

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10-21-2016 , 12:33 PM

BetoBr

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Originally Posted by ExpectedV

No draws on flop and if they have Tx they will bet. I rather c/r and if it goes x/x and they hit a card not a bad thing.

I agree. Better to give a free card and hope they hit something IMHO.

Its só sick. CO open limped pf. Guy can have TJ T9 T8s and do this right? Only does it with a bigger Fh?

Says he raises to $3 and I snap call. But such a big overbet Idk. If I start thinking about it, his super overbet is telling me he wants me to fold more than call. But I still dont know if calling is the way.

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10-21-2016 , 12:38 PM

Marcinx15

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Really hard decision. I would go for fold there as his range is so wide and people on microstakes don't do that as bluff almost never. Or maybe the guy just has watched too many Tom Dwan's moves on YouTube.

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10-21-2016 , 12:39 PM

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Rebuild

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I mean CO is very likely a fish, but lets assume he wasn't and had KT and both people check I dont hate a cb as its likely everyone would just fold if we bet and we have position..
River is a stupid spot, I can see the fish having Tx here and I would normally think this is an easy call but with the pot being tiny its certainly closer. I think I d still call tho.

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10-21-2016 , 12:50 PM

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Shamway99

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Originally Posted by ExpectedV

No draws on flop and if they have Tx they will bet. I rather c/r and if it goes x/x and they hit a card not a bad thing.

There is a FD. It is good we want them to have draw and hit with FH. Lead flop or slowplay? Imo both makes sense.
As played easy call river, who folds FH 100 bb deep?

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10-21-2016 , 12:56 PM

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Oxytime

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No draws on flop and if they have Tx they will bet

So if he'll bet Tx on the flop then the only reasonable boat he can have is with 33. It seems like we're folding the second nuts as played.

Also, check raising seems kind of bad since we have the nuts or air unless we x/r Tx hands. But, when we x/r Tx hands it's really hard for villain to have any hand to continue with. So I think I prefer x/c flop with 22/Tx hands and leading turn.

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10-21-2016 , 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamway99

There is a FD. It is good we want them to have draw and hit with FH. Lead flop or slowplay? Imo both makes sense.
As played easy call river, who folds FH 100 bb deep?

Oh yeah my bad there is a FD. River is def a hard decision, at least it was for me. I did fold due to the pot odds and I just don't think he plays many Tx like this but it's possible.

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10-21-2016 , 01:00 PM

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ExpectedV

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BTW villain is 36/13 over 68 hands limping 30%

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10-21-2016 , 01:16 PM

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i insta fold otr
Agree with leading close to pot otf and bet bet

GLGL

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10-21-2016 , 01:23 PM

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JackSmooth

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Bet flop, you get calls from pocket pairs, flush draws, ace highs, and possibly even clubs. Betting also lets aggressive opponents play back at you.

Don't pot the turn.

Call river. Just play based on the strength of your hand, the opponent is not thinking on the same level is you. You have an underrepped boat here, you want your opponent to spazz like this so you can stack him. Look at his preflop raise range, he's raising you with everything that's beating you. Meanwhile he has plenty of missed draws on the turn to try and turn into a bluff here (missed gutters, flush draws, etc).

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