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NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push

01-05-2013 , 04:49 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15247741

    MP: $74.01 (148 bb)
    CO: $44.04 (88.1 bb)
    BTN: $80.52 (161 bb)
    SB: $93.35 (186.7 bb)
    BB: $41.50 (83 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $53.70 (107.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A 4
    Hero raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

    Flop: ($3.75) 7 8 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.82, CO raises to $11.14, Hero calls $6.32

    Turn: ($26.03) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $31.40 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    CO is 13/08/0...160 hands
    agg 48
    WTSD 14
    NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push Quote
    01-05-2013 , 05:04 PM
    I would probably either jam or fold the flop. Lets you see both the turn and the river (if you jam).

    And I would probably elect to fold. Given you raised UTG and he flatted CO, his range is weighted heavily towards pocket pairs. Also he has very few worse flush combos than you (KJcc is probably the only one and even thats a stretch).

    So I would fold, because you're getting all in here against 77/88/QQ quite often...
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    01-05-2013 , 05:36 PM
    Not a very good spot for a c/r imo for the simple reason that if he 3-bets, we're in a very tough spot: We cant really call. We are getting bad immediate odds and we're out of position which reduces our implied odds a lot. And we're not that happy to get 70x in with A4cc on 78Qccs against the range that this guy probably 3-bets on this flop.

    I think this is a decent board for any competent player to 3-bet a ton of his range small, b/c you rep so narrow when you c/r such a draw-heavy flop (set, AA/KK with a club or maybe a big draw) and cant really continue without one of these hands to a 3-bet.

    Just lead out on the flop. It makes sense that you would bet this flop with a lot of what you open UTG and you're gonna take it down with a c-bet on this flop enough to make it good. Should you get raised, you are now in a much better position to decide wether to call and pot-control or put in a big bet and commit yourself, b/c you probably would flat a lot of hands that you open UTG and c-bet if villain raised (so you still have a pretty wide range as opposed to when you c/r flop, flat a 3-bet and check turn).

    As played, I fold or jam flop and I think folding is > jamming
    NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push Quote
    01-05-2013 , 05:38 PM
    C/call flop since villain isnt going to fold worse on this wet flop, and he could bet/3-bet u, thus out-pricing u to call with ur nut FD in this spot...
    1) i justify for check call, since i can keep in all of villains weaker draw (FD+9T,9J,56,SD) type hand range, and pure bluffs that he is stabbing this pot with, i have implied odds to flat OOP with my Nut FD, and my A-high is good here a fair % of the times//// dont want to bloat the pot OOP here, thus making my next 2-streets hard to play
    NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push Quote
    01-05-2013 , 06:15 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheLove_Below
    1) i justify for check call, since i can keep in all of villains weaker draw (FD+9T,9J,56,SD) type hand range, and pure bluffs that he is stabbing this pot with, i have implied odds to flat OOP with my Nut FD, and my A-high is good here a fair % of the times//// dont want to bloat the pot OOP here, thus making my next 2-streets hard to play
    There are no hands other than a FD that you would take this line with and you only give yourself a chance to win the pot if you hit, which really isnt that great OOP. You would continue on this board with almost any made hand that you open from that position, so by c/c'ing our hand is pretty face-up.
    NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push Quote
    01-05-2013 , 06:27 PM
    Looks too loose pre, and just bet the flop...
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    01-05-2013 , 06:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qazikm2000
    Given you raised UTG and he flatted CO, his range is weighted heavily towards pocket pairs. Also he has very few worse flush combos than you (KJcc is probably the only one and even thats a stretch).

    So I would fold, because you're getting all in here against 77/88/QQ quite often...
    i agree with you...bet/call is the best move?
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    01-05-2013 , 07:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mavaleeee
    i agree with you...bet/call is the best move?
    I would bet/ see. If villain raises massive I might just fold. If he raises pretty small (like less than 3X our original bet), I can definitely see b/c on the flop.
    NL 50 vs nitty...flop decision flat/push Quote
    01-05-2013 , 07:02 PM
    I dont hate pre - I like to balance my UTG range with suited low Ax hands... But cbet the flop.

    As played, prolly end up shoving OTF (Or x/c)... carries so little FE but its beter than calling
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