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11-02-2008 , 12:41 PM
Hi all
I'm loosing my pants this sunday so please take easy on me.

This guys as 3betting me like hell but I had some solid stats on him and also had never seen he showing air.


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $149.95
BB: $17.75
UTG: $71.45
UTG+1: $6.25
MP1: $53.50
MP2: $57.00
Hero (CO): $43.50
BTN: $42.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q K
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) A T Q (2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.50) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($25.50) Q (2 players)
SB bets $19.50, HERO ????
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11-02-2008 , 12:43 PM
Fold preflop. KQo is not a hand to be calling 3bets with.

As played, I'd shove the river.
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11-02-2008 , 12:45 PM
YAHTZEE!

Yell 'WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!' like Ric Flair and then move all-in. You're afraid he has a full house, AQ, TT, QT? I assume that's what he had since you posted the hand.

For what it's worth, I like your play on all postflop streets. Now shove.
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11-02-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Fold preflop.
If this guy's been habitually singling me out for 3-betting (which probably means I've been doing a lot of stealing), I'm not sure I want to fold a king-queen. By default I'd fold, but if OP's information is reliable, I don't hate the call.
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11-02-2008 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
If this guy's been habitually singling me out for 3-betting (which probably means I've been doing a lot of stealing), I'm not sure I want to fold a king-queen. By default I'd fold, but if OP's information is reliable, I don't hate the call.
There are much better hands to call 3bets against a stealer with than KQo. What happens when you get a flop like this and don't hit your gin card on the river, or he double barrels you on the turn?

OP also said he never saw the villain showing air, which I think means he was 3betting solid values.

Last edited by brocksavage1; 11-02-2008 at 01:01 PM.
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11-02-2008 , 01:03 PM
I wouldn't fold preflop, people have been taking the piss at Stars 50NL with me recently, 3betting me with junk like 54cc.
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11-02-2008 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RKi
I wouldn't fold preflop, people have been taking the piss at Stars 50NL with me recently, 3betting me with junk like 54cc.
What is your plan when miss the flop 63% of the time and face a cbet? If you're sick of people 3betting you light, then 4bet them light. Calling with a RIO hand is not the best line.

People 3bet light OOP exactly for this reason.
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11-02-2008 , 01:07 PM
omg, i'm the villain

i rly don't like your call pre... I had been 3b you a ton... probably about 20% light, 80% strong...

But a lot of my 3b range folds to your 4b... if you make a small 4b here to 14 or so, I'm folding all but JJ+/AK usually...

now, it just so happened that I got the feeling you were getting a bit frustrated w/ my 3betting, so it might have been different in this case, but I think 4b or fold is soooo much better than flatting me here.

Ur just gonna have to fold so many flops when I cbet.
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11-02-2008 , 01:11 PM
^^^ I hope we never end playing against each other..... can you say "reg war".
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11-02-2008 , 01:13 PM
fold pf
if u have solid stats why dont u post them ?
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11-02-2008 , 01:14 PM
I'm never looking for reg wars... but OP was just folding to so many 3b, I couldn't help myself...

45s in the BB starting looking like aces.
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11-02-2008 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lionking130
fold pf
if u have solid stats why dont u post them ?
He's probably got me running around 12/10
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11-02-2008 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by notontilt09
I'm never looking for reg wars... but OP was just folding to so many 3b, I couldn't help myself...

45s in the BB starting looking like aces.
I play it the same as you.

If he's got stats on you 3betting a lot from the BB I definitely think a small 4bet is disco.
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11-02-2008 , 01:37 PM
Imo c-bet, chk, bet is either a monster that went for a c/r on the river or a complete air on a bluff attempt. A bluff is unlikely here if he's been 3betting you alot as villan should realise he's going to be called alot lighter on the river then normal.



P.S reload re-flop notontilt and size your bets better so you can shove the river.
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11-02-2008 , 02:08 PM
Weird that I don't have a full stack. I have auto top off on obv. What do you diff. With TT here teddie to get it all in? I thought crai on turn would be best, but that obv didnt work

Edit: I do have full stack. OP doesn't however
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11-02-2008 , 02:32 PM
yea, got confused. Re-load pre-flop OP.


As for your line, I'd gay turn like $8, or as played just overshove the river. He's calling a $19.5 bet on the river but folding to the more bluffy looking pot overshove.
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11-02-2008 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by notontilt09
Weird that I don't have a full stack. I have auto top off on obv. What do you diff. With TT here teddie to get it all in? I thought crai on turn would be best, but that obv didnt work

Edit: I do have full stack. OP doesn't however
It was the beggining of the tilt spree so I already wasn't reloading. Luck me

About the reg war, I'm not that good but maybe I should have left the table...

ty for the answers
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11-02-2008 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ale1teixeira
It was the beggining of the tilt spree so I already wasn't reloading. Luck me

About the reg war, I'm not that good but maybe I should have left the table...

ty for the answers

Probably would have been good. There are like 200 50nl games running on Sunday, no need to be giving up position to someone decent when you can find a better table.
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11-03-2008 , 05:10 PM
Fold PF against 3bet seems right. The hands Relative Value ain't wide enough.
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