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11-03-2008 , 11:25 AM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $108.30
BB: $60.75
UTG: $14.10
CO: $12.75
Hero (BTN): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A Q
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2.50, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($9.25) 3 5 Q (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, UTG raises to $11.10 all in, Hero calls $6.10, BB calls $6.10

Turn: ($42.55) 9 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, BB calls $10

River: ($72.55) 9 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $31.65 all in, Hero calls $20.90 all in

Hi, our deep stacked villain is a fish, with stats of something like 60/0/2.5. I'm thinking we wanted to get it in, right? Is this a reasonable way to play it? I probably should've just shoved turn, but I kind of wanted to keep him in (I know that might be fish logic)?
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11-03-2008 , 11:41 AM
Alex,

Your bet sizing really needs some work all around, not just on the turn. You don't need to raise 6xbb over a limper preflop. In fact, 4.5x would do just fine. Likewise, if you are going to be this flop, which is fine, bet closer to the pot. Like 7 into 9, which would have made this hand easier to play overall. I know, I know, you were probably thinking about bating the shorty to "come over the top," but really, that shouldn't be so much of a concern. He's either doing it with a lesser Q or a PP or he's not, and it's a three way, so make a proper bet size.

BB's call of the RR puts his range at KQ/QJ, 64, A4, or two sets. KQ/QJ may very well be blocked yet again from the shorty's all in. So that leads me to believe draws are very much a part of his fishy range when he just flats, and therefore I put in an RR on the flop.

Whatever the case, once we get to the turn and he leads, his range changes, imo. I don't think he's trying to "buy" the pot, so I think he's doing some sort of fishy trap. I call for pot control and then most likely call any reasonable river.
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11-03-2008 , 12:56 PM
PF 5xBB is better, but if villain calls everything and fold most flops I think 6xbb is fine.

Why is a half-pot-bet so bad here? It's such a dry board, so there isn't really any reason to bet more?

I would call turn and think about calling the river. When he shoves it really looks strong from a fish.
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11-03-2008 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LoveisHell
PF 5xBB is better, but if villain calls everything and fold most flops I think 6xbb is fine.

Why is a half-pot-bet so bad here? It's such a dry board, so there isn't really any reason to bet more?

I would call turn and think about calling the river. When he shoves it really looks strong from a fish.
Well, the reason is that it will be easier to make more money on the turn and/or river if you bet more. Also, the only hand I'm worried about is 64 and I want to get more $$ out of this hand all the time. I'm also interested in getting more $$ out of KQ/QJ. Finally, the most important reason is that betting half the pot on the internet in cash games pretty much places a warrant on your head and makes you massively exploitable.
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11-03-2008 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BarryLyndon
Finally, the most important reason is that betting half the pot on the internet in cash games pretty much places a warrant on your head and makes you massively exploitable.
To getting raise light or?
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11-03-2008 , 02:51 PM
Bet sizing is good IMO. Perfectly dry flop, UTG gets to re-raise (has more imagined FE) by betting less than half of what he has left. On the turn I maybe make it $22, just so there's less left on the river.

I don't mind re-raising the flop, you probably get more value from stuff like 44/66/64/77/88/67/A5/65 by calling the flop, then betting/raising the turn.
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11-03-2008 , 03:08 PM
What about a push over shortys all in? BBs range is probably not hands that beat us and we isolate and get the $5 dead money in.
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11-03-2008 , 09:14 PM
I think your betsizes are PERFECT against such a fish. Just keep milking him on every street little by little.

Only your preflop betsize i would suggest 5xbb
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11-05-2008 , 02:15 PM
Is it OK to just call the turn and try to vbet river/call?
Shouldn't we be scared of sets in such a dry board?

I mean if we repop the flop I don't think any worse hands are going to call (We only get called when we are beat and we lose value)?
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11-05-2008 , 04:40 PM
you took your AQ wayy wayy too far.
i'd flat on the turn instead of raising.
as played, definitely fold the river, it sucks, but so what? lose some money >> losing more money.
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