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NL 400 QQ on A high board in 3 bet pot, facing big flop raise NL 400 QQ on A high board in 3 bet pot, facing big flop raise

08-14-2010 , 10:06 PM
I had played villain some time back, my notes said "won't fold to 3-bet, 3-bet only premiums vs. him" and I had played him for about 170 hands the first time.

His stats from that first encounter: opens 57% of buttons, limps 2% of buttons, folds the rest, VPIP big blind 72%. Of note was his fold to 3-bet was indeed 0% and his fold to flop c-bet in 3-bet pot was 28%. Of note also was he'd never raised me on the flop in a 3-bet pot before, so the 72% of times he didn't fold, he called.


It's just 10 hands into this new match and I don't have any reads other than HEM stats from the first encounter and my old note.


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: $402.00
Hero (BB): $400.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with Q Q
BTN/SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $44, BTN/SB calls $32

Flop: ($88.00) 4 A 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $68, BTN/SB raises to $234, Hero requests TIME, [color=red]Hero ??


Is this an Ace a lot of the time?
NL 400 QQ on A high board in 3 bet pot, facing big flop raise Quote
08-14-2010 , 10:44 PM
shovee
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08-15-2010 , 01:51 AM
Gay spot. If we shove will this villain call with FD's? I think flatting might be better and c/c all non-heart turns.

Also is folding out of the question here? That would be my default here (with bet sizing as is). Then again I would bet smaller so I could b/c and re-evaluate the turn.
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08-15-2010 , 08:09 AM
Don't like it, but relatively easy fold. If he's not raised your c-bet before in a 3bet pot you're beat most of the time and against a FD a small amount of time. You having the Qh reduces his FD hands aswell.
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08-15-2010 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by WhateverSon
shovee
What range do you put him on and why?
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08-15-2010 , 10:58 AM
jeez, just fold
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08-15-2010 , 11:03 AM
snap fold lol. If we call pot will be like 600 on turn and we'll have 120 or so behind, and shoving is lolbad as well since he's repping Ax with little air
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08-15-2010 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kylebranham
Gay spot. If we shove will this villain call with FD's?
lol ofc he will
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08-15-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by emKay
jeez, just fold
Why didn't the thread just die after this reply, really?
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08-15-2010 , 11:38 AM
lmao why would he raise with an ace when all he does is fold out TT--->KK and gets shoved over with better aces since he didn't 4b prf...
its a huge flop raise... its usually something marginal trying to maximize fold equity... at most its prrobably a fd

ez game I see stuff like this allatime
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08-15-2010 , 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhateverSon
lmao why would he raise with an ace when all he does is fold out TT--->KK
People raise with Ax here because it's just about the only way to ever get stacks in vs TT-KK.
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08-15-2010 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinz
People raise with Ax here because it's just about the only way to ever get stacks in vs TT-KK.
they raise this big?

say villain has a9o and he is raising the flop vs our 10% 3b prenium range

we fold out hands like kq kjs kts

but if we were to continue with our hand, this would be our range..

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.576% 35.68% 00.89% 308409 7704.00 { 99+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 63.424% 62.53% 00.89% 540453 7704.00 { A7o }

this is assuming we call with all of these hands.

Last edited by WhateverSon; 08-15-2010 at 12:35 PM.
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08-15-2010 , 03:20 PM
Judging by the fact that he plays more hands in the BB than on the button, this guy is probably not that good. I think the last couple of posters are giving him too much credit for a thought process that they have but he doesn't.

Guys like this are usually raising here to 'protect' their hand. He's probably got something decent like an ace or better and is worried about the straight and flush draws. I think he would play his draws passively most of the time. Regardless, you should fold. Why get stacked and then hit and run?
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08-15-2010 , 03:34 PM
Fold. If this guy wants to bluff you like this just let him. If your 3betting range is so tight vs him then he's just trying to give you money here.
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08-15-2010 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Josef Cur
Judging by the fact that he plays more hands in the BB than on the button, this guy is probably not that good. I think the last couple of posters are giving him too much credit for a thought process that they have but he doesn't.

Guys like this are usually raising here to 'protect' their hand. He's probably got something decent like an ace or better and is worried about the straight and flush draws. I think he would play his draws passively most of the time.
agree w/ all of this
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08-15-2010 , 03:55 PM
muck w reads
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