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02-24-2012 , 06:32 PM
OK guys, some hands I can't figure out if I played well or fishy.

First hand, trying to bluff them on the Flop, then I get a Flush draw and move all-in. Villain is a 12/10, winner over 300 hands.

What do you think?

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11986102

    SB: $35.99 (144 bb)
    Hero (BB): $21.85 (87.4 bb)
    UTG+2: $43.86 (175.4 bb)
    MP1: $18.44 (73.8 bb)
    MP2: $26.34 (105.4 bb)
    MP3: $24.15 (96.6 bb)
    CO: $45.28 (181.1 bb)
    BTN: $26.86 (107.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q A
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50

    Flop: ($3) 8 7 4 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $4.86, MP1 folds, BTN calls $4.36

    Turn: ($13.22) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $16.24




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    Next one:
    K-hi Flush on a str8 board, SB stealing vs BB. Villain is 39/2, AF 1.5 over 86 hands, running like god nuts in this session.

    Do you play it the same?

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11986112

      BTN: $36.24 (145 bb)
      Hero (SB): $24.40 (97.6 bb)
      BB: $21.39 (85.6 bb)
      UTG+1: $11.24 (45 bb)
      UTG+2: $18.26 (73 bb)
      MP1: $26.94 (107.8 bb)
      MP2: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
      MP3: $46.38 (185.5 bb)
      CO: $25 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with T K
      7 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.55

      Flop: ($1.60) 4 5 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.17, BB calls $1.17

      Turn: ($3.94) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $8.26, BB raises to $15.02, Hero raises to $22.43 and is all-in, BB calls $4.40 and is all-in

      River: ($42.78) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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      And finally, this one. Villain is 46/5 , AF 10.0 over 43 hands. How about it?

        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11986122

        MP2: $28.66 (114.6 bb)
        MP3: $20.74 (83 bb)
        CO: $17.96 (71.8 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $30.65 (122.6 bb)
        SB: $30.20 (120.8 bb)
        BB: $25 (100 bb)
        UTG+1: $20.23 (80.9 bb)
        UTG+2: $40.28 (161.1 bb)
        MP1: $25 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
        5 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25

        Flop: ($3.35) 9 4 K (2 players)
        CO bets $1.75, Hero raises to $29.15 and is all-in, CO calls $14.71 and is all-in

        Turn: ($36.27) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: ($36.27) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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        NL 25: Some trouble cases Quote
        02-24-2012 , 06:55 PM
        1st hand i dont think is too bad and the turn is a decent card to carry on the aggresion but when this guy calls a raise multi way he always has a strong hand. His range will be sets/straights and maybe the occasional overpair but i think most players will be able to fold a hand like 99/TT here.

        2nd hand cooler unlucky.

        3rd hand the shove lets the villain play pretty well against us. Folding most hands we beat and calling with hands that crush us.
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        02-24-2012 , 07:31 PM
        1st hand: CR is too high I'd say and after he calls, you can hardly expect him here to fold the T, so you will be always way behind.

        2nd hand: You should feel very safe here but raising so high, I'd be very concerned to lose him. But as long as you get it in anyway, I'd be happy.

        3rd hand: Wtf? Can you know after 40hands he is that bad to call with worse? Looks very weak to push here imo.
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        02-24-2012 , 07:34 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by MartL
        1st hand i dont think is too bad and the turn is a decent card to carry on the aggresion but when this guy calls a raise multi way he always has a strong hand. His range will be sets/straights and maybe the occasional overpair but i think most players will be able to fold a hand like 99/TT here.

        2nd hand cooler unlucky.

        3rd hand the shove lets the villain play pretty well against us. Folding most hands we beat and calling with hands that crush us.
        you did notice we are up against a 46/5 in hand 3 whos only ~50bb deep? easiest flop shove.

        hand 1 - c/r mw as pfr is incredibly optimistic and bad (esp. if villain can hand read). guess turn is fine as played tho.

        hand 2 - just barrel the turn. cooler.

        hand 3 - nh.
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        02-24-2012 , 07:49 PM
        Just a general comment, but it looks like your raise sizing is almost always too big. While that will increase fold equity, it will also narrow villains calling range to hands that are ahead of us. We want better hands to fold and worse hands to call. Think about that when you're betting with a K high flush and TPTK.
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        02-24-2012 , 07:52 PM
        I am by no means a great player, but this is how I would play each hand:

        1st hand: I might 3-bet pre-flop depending on original raiser's stats and other players in the hand but I think calling is good too. And on the flop: If it was folded around I might make a raise like that but since one guy called I'd just see the turn getting 8:1. As you played it, I'd bet around $11. I think it looks stronger than a shove.

        2nd hand: I'd play it the same way except I'd continue to bet on the turn. I think a check/raise there makes it pretty obvious you hit the flush.

        3rd hand: I'd probably just call the flop and bet/raise the turn. It really doesn't matter though. Any time you get it in with TPTK vs a 46/5 it's +EV.
        NL 25: Some trouble cases Quote
        02-24-2012 , 07:54 PM
        It's 70BB, I think it's a difference. And the 46/5, well ok, but still its only 40 hands and if you feel ahead of him, you just fold him out too often.
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        02-24-2012 , 09:29 PM
        #1 i think i like it, but the problem is that those 12/8 may very well have AA/KK/sets only in their flop c/rai calling range so he probably wont give up any of those therefore your turn shoves becomes a spew
        #2 bet instead of c/r
        #3 raise instead of shoving
        NL 25: Some trouble cases Quote
        02-25-2012 , 04:25 PM
        #1 that 12/10 has big pairs and sets in his range (yah i know) so I don't like your play at all
        #2 I don't like the c/r, I think it folds out some of his 3rd pair hands that we could maybe get a small bet of value from OTR. I would just barrel turn again but not too big.
        #3 A shove is not as +ev as just raising. Raise his donk with the intention of calling off a ship.
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        02-25-2012 , 07:51 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by di0d80
        #3 A shove is not as +ev as just raising. Raise his donk with the intention of calling off a ship.
        what's your proof of this?

        Last edited by bleffo19; 02-25-2012 at 08:04 PM.
        NL 25: Some trouble cases Quote
        02-25-2012 , 09:42 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by bleffo19
        you did notice we are up against a 46/5 in hand 3 whos only ~50bb deep? easiest flop shove.

        hand 1 - c/r mw as pfr is incredibly optimistic and bad (esp. if villain can hand read). guess turn is fine as played tho.

        hand 2 - just barrel the turn. cooler.

        hand 3 - nh.
        We were not PFR in hand 1. I thought the c/r was a decent idea. I would play just about 100% of my sets this way as well. Once the BTN calls though I would def start to slow down. What hands do you expect villain to fold to our turn shove that is calling otf? The K should not really effect anything since we c/r which removes pretty much all Kx hands from our range. I might just opt for a c/decide ott hoping he does not price us out. Sucky spot but don't jam just because you c/r otf.

        Hand 2: Bet turn and call it off. Why did you check exactly? Villain had a low AF so I would expect a check back a lot and we might lose some value by checking.

        Hand 3: I think a shove is pretty massive and might fold out some worse Kx hands or lower pp's that didnt want to c/c. I don't hate the shove but I think we could make it $5.50 and call it off or shove any turn to get some more value from worse hands..
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