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08-24-2011 , 02:10 PM
To those who don't understand why raising the flop is bad, you have to consider how you maximize against villains entire range and not just the top of it. Not only is villain 3betting and cbetting KK+, but he's also probably playing AK this way, and given his 3bet%, he probably has AQ, maybe KQ, and a bunch of weaker hands in his range, like bluffs or midpairs that can't continue to a raise but could bet or call (with midpairs) on later streets. So, you make so much more by flatting the flop against these hands.

Further, you don't lose much against overpairs by raising the flop. On most board run-outs, you'll stack overpairs anyway, and you'll have a much easier time stacking hands like KJ or even J9 (he can be 3betbluffing with hands like this).

The only advantage of raising the flop is to prevent an A or K from slowing down villain when he has KK or QQ, but this scenario is very rare considering how wide villain's range is and the low probability that an A or K will drop. But this is low-level thinking--an A or K turn or river is actually great for us, since villain will likely continue to bluff his air and can now valuebet top pair with his KQ, AQ, AK hands.
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08-24-2011 , 02:14 PM
If you flat the flop plz for the love of god flat the turn and shove the river. People who raise turns shouldn't be able to flop sets.
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08-24-2011 , 05:02 PM
flat the flop to make him felt other hands besides QQ+....you have nothing to be scared of...at all

Last edited by caddymix024; 08-24-2011 at 05:06 PM. Reason: also, in b4 X!!! is banned
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08-24-2011 , 05:02 PM
THERE IS NO REASON TO RAISE AT ANY POINT IN THE HAND EXCEPT RIVER
REALLY FKN SIMPLE, WE STACK QQ+ ANY FKN WAY WE AS LONG AS WE DONT MISCLICK FOLD
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08-24-2011 , 05:15 PM
call, call, shove is the optimal line here. he has a high 3b% let him barrel his air, you're going to stack his value hands anyways.

raise isn't "horrible" like people are saying against certain villains that can spazz out with hands like a5, a2, etc since you're repping so narrow. but you obviously need a read and need to know villains post flop tendencies well.
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08-24-2011 , 08:13 PM
Pretty standard flat on the flop
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08-24-2011 , 11:54 PM
Standard should be to flat, though there are dynamics where it's good. If you have history vs a villain where you defend a lot to 3b and raise a lot of flops, then obv he's going to think you can't have much and jam with his air. That being said, that's really, really rare. Flat and let him barrel off. Like others have said, he's going to bet all his overpairs and TP hands anyway. You gotta leave him some rope to hang himself when he has air.
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08-25-2011 , 12:05 AM
call flop turn and call ai /reraise ai on river regardless of of what hits, let him barrel off if hes got qq kk aa we get his stack any way if hes got anything else other than those hands let him spew it off. Cant say i like reraising super dry boards with a set.
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08-25-2011 , 12:49 AM
ya obv flat flop, flat turn, get it in river idk why its even debated but its nice to see those korean hos a bunch
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