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[NL 25] QQ vs fish [NL 25] QQ vs fish

11-12-2009 , 10:04 AM
Villain (56.0/15.4/3.33/~92)

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $25.00
MP2: $26.50
CO: $29.05
BTN: $25.90
SB: $41.10
BB: $30.50
Hero (UTG): $25.00
UTG+1: $25.00
UTG+2: $22.40

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, CO calls $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1

Flop: ($6.10) J 5 3 (3 players)
BB bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80, CO folds

Turn: ($13.70) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9.25

Please comment on every street, because I'm totally confused in this hand.

PF:
Would you recommend 4betting here?
I'm feeling if I 4bet here, I will fold out a lot of his hands which I've crushed or do you think he will tend to do some bad calls PF even againt a 4bet?

flop:
raise here ?
I'm sure I'm ahead, but which hand would call that I have beat?

turn: bet/fold? bet/call ? check/behind? I like bet/call. I think it's a good spot for him to semibluff a lot of hands.

river: check behind or do you see any value in betting?
[NL 25] QQ vs fish Quote
11-12-2009 , 10:27 AM
What's villain's 3bet%?

PF - I don't mind the flat pf in position.
Flop - yes please raise this wet board.
Turn - if villain calls flop i think this is a check back, that's not a good card.
[NL 25] QQ vs fish Quote
11-12-2009 , 12:29 PM
This is an interesting hand, because it is very difficult to have confidence when you attempt to narrow a 56/15's range based on the action.

We have to assume that the min-3bet narrows his range to the top of his raising range. So, AA and KK, AK, AQ, AJ, and AT are pretty standard for this player, as are pocket pairs down through at least 88, and maybe even all pocket pairs. He'll have some KQ and KJ combos in there, too, usually suited ones.

On the flop, because he has a high aggression factor, I don't think we can narrow his range much at all. I think he c-bets more or less his entire range on this board. So we call the flop c-bet for sure. The question as to whether we raise here is a good one. On the one hand, the board is somewhat drawy, so we might like to charge his draws. On the other hand, we are probably behind the range that calls a raise, and a decent amount of his range will ship--probably he ships most of his nut flush draws, his sets (just JJ here, most of the time) and AA and KK. If we raise, what we are really hoping for is that he has a nut draw and we are more or less flipping him. So I think I just like calling the flop, keeping in his garbage that we crush.

On the turn, it gets difficult, because he got there with a significant portion of his range. But this card really changes nothing--we are still ahead of the range that he would have bet on the flop. When he checks it indicates either weakness or an intent to c/r. Since most players c/c or c/f far more often that they c/r, we can assume that we are ahead of his checking range. If we assume that he will call with his top pair hands and he will call with unsuited hands containing a strong spade--the ace, the king or the jack, then I think we should consider a bet here, despite the risk of walking into a value c/r or a semi-bluff c/r.

I'd bet a little smaller, though, to get calls from these bad draws. So maybe I go $7 here, not $9 something.

If he check raises, I think we have to suck it up and fold. Against a pure value c/r range, we are about a 68/31 underdog; the only hand I could put in a value c/r range that we are ahead of is AJ where one of his cards is a spade. It would really come down to how many hands you put in his semi-bluffing range here--there don't need to be many after we bet because we'd be getting good odds to call a shove. My problem here, though, is that I do not think it is a terrific spot for him to semi-bluff c/r you without the ace of spades, because your line thus far is consistent with a spade flush draw. So I would not be willing to put too many semi-bluffing combos in his range, and, therefore, I would want to bet/fold the turn.

If he simply calls the turn, I don't see how stacks don't go in on the river. MAYBE we can hero fold to a non spade ace or king, and maybe we can even fold to another jack, but on any other card I am pretty sure we either have to call a shove or bet the river.
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11-12-2009 , 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpethybridge
This is an interesting hand, because it is very difficult to have confidence when you attempt to narrow a 56/15's range based on the action.

We have to assume that the min-3bet narrows his range to the top of his raising range. So, AA and KK, AK, AQ, AJ, and AT are pretty standard for this player, as are pocket pairs down through at least 88, and maybe even all pocket pairs. He'll have some KQ and KJ combos in there, too, usually suited ones.

On the flop, because he has a high aggression factor, I don't think we can narrow his range much at all. I think he c-bets more or less his entire range on this board. So we call the flop c-bet for sure. The question as to whether we raise here is a good one. On the one hand, the board is somewhat drawy, so we might like to charge his draws. On the other hand, we are probably behind the range that calls a raise, and a decent amount of his range will ship--probably he ships most of his nut flush draws, his sets (just JJ here, most of the time) and AA and KK. If we raise, what we are really hoping for is that he has a nut draw and we are more or less flipping him. So I think I just like calling the flop, keeping in his garbage that we crush.

On the turn, it gets difficult, because he got there with a significant portion of his range. But this card really changes nothing--we are still ahead of the range that he would have bet on the flop. When he checks it indicates either weakness or an intent to c/r. Since most players c/c or c/f far more often that they c/r, we can assume that we are ahead of his checking range. If we assume that he will call with his top pair hands and he will call with unsuited hands containing a strong spade--the ace, the king or the jack, then I think we should consider a bet here, despite the risk of walking into a value c/r or a semi-bluff c/r.

I'd bet a little smaller, though, to get calls from these bad draws. So maybe I go $7 here, not $9 something.

If he check raises, I think we have to suck it up and fold. Against a pure value c/r range, we are about a 68/31 underdog; the only hand I could put in a value c/r range that we are ahead of is AJ where one of his cards is a spade. It would really come down to how many hands you put in his semi-bluffing range here--there don't need to be many after we bet because we'd be getting good odds to call a shove. My problem here, though, is that I do not think it is a terrific spot for him to semi-bluff c/r you without the ace of spades, because your line thus far is consistent with a spade flush draw. So I would not be willing to put too many semi-bluffing combos in his range, and, therefore, I would want to bet/fold the turn.

If he simply calls the turn, I don't see how stacks don't go in on the river. MAYBE we can hero fold to a non spade ace or king, and maybe we can even fold to another jack, but on any other card I am pretty sure we either have to call a shove or bet the river.
Well said. +1
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