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NL 25 - 3-bet queens against decent reg NL 25 - 3-bet queens against decent reg

01-01-2010 , 08:55 AM
Villain is an 15/9/1.3 reg. Villain is positionally aware again raises the CO frequently.

Is this standard against such a player? Or is there an alternative play?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 450522
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BB: $25.35
UTG: $5.00
UTG+1: $24.15
UTG+2: $4.65
MP1: $17.65
MP2: $44.25
CO: $32.10
BTN: $5.15
Hero (SB): $25.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q Q
5 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75) J J 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($18.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $22.85 all in, Hero calls $15.85 all in
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01-01-2010 , 09:04 AM
since ur oop i'd 3bet to 2.6.

i think a crying fold on the flop might be better, but its close. if you had any more stats/reads it would be easier. from his pfr and 3bet he seems not very aggro so folding seems okay.

his betsizing seems like either bluff or aa/kk/j and since he's not so aggro probly the near nuts

it would be a little surprising if he bet that with a lower PP
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01-01-2010 , 11:02 AM
I would be very wary of his raise on the flop. Given reads, villain's line screams J10-AJs imo.

Guy above me: AA, KK would 4bet, JJ wouldn't raise the flop probably
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01-01-2010 , 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorDrdn
Guy above me: AA, KK would 4bet
level 0 thinker ITT
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01-01-2010 , 11:21 AM
villain's raise flop%?

I think flatting the flop is okay here. Even a reg might be raising with TT- to find out where he stands. he'll be checking back on the turn much more often than not with those holdings.
Villain's turn-play is interesting here. It really polarizes his range to trips+ or nothing. I don't think he's ever doing this with a non-boat PP.
Likely, villain has a decent read on our range in this spot and thinks we'll spew if he overbets the turn.

Assuming he has enough hands on you to know that you're a thinking player, he's probably shoving this turn for value, checking back a lot of his PPs for showdown value (maybe turning a 99 hand into a bluff here...but I wouldn't give 50NL players that kind of credit) and betting more value-bet-ish with his air.

I'm okay with floating this flop...but I think I'm folding this turn against a reg, calling against an idiot.
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01-01-2010 , 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by loltysir
level 0 thinker ITT
I've never heard anyone say slowplaying AA/KK in uNL is a good thing.
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01-01-2010 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorDrdn
I've never heard anyone say slowplaying AA/KK in uNL is a good thing.
It's hardly a 'slow play' when it's already a 3b pot and its HU. Think about if the CO steals a fair % and Hero knows this and 3bs fairly wide. 4betting here is going to fold out all his air hands and maybe even some of the value hands. CO is in position so we'll at least get a cbet from a large % of ppl which is more +EV than just 4betting.... coz like most regs 4b range is like AA/KK only, unless they've some history in LPvs blind or BvB situations imo.

Your thinking is OMG AA or KK jam it up in any situation vs any opponent, losing value sir.
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01-01-2010 , 12:56 PM
Villain is often correct to flat hero's 3b with KK+ here
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01-01-2010 , 01:46 PM
Definitely 3bet bigger pre. You're getting yourself in trouble if you underbet when you 3bet OOP.

I think the flop is either a very tight bet/fold or a bet/ship, never a bet/call with an overpair in a 3bet pot.
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01-01-2010 , 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
Definitely 3bet bigger pre. You're getting yourself in trouble if you underbet when you 3bet OOP.

I think the flop is either a very tight bet/fold or a bet/ship, never a bet/call with an overpair in a 3bet pot.

my bad, actually. this is very true. I was looking at the pot size on the flop and thought I was looking at a 50NL hand.
IMHO, you should be making this decision based on villain's call 3bet% and raise flop%, not his VPIP and PFR. You're only getting a very general idea.
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01-01-2010 , 09:00 PM
How much have you been 3betting his frequent CO opens i think is the important question. Thats going to help alot in determining what his range for calling is.

If you defend alot, then theres alot of jacks in his range.

If your a nit, and he has a high fold to 3 bet % this looks alot like b/s. He might see that your really tight, and know that theres 0 jack in your 3 bet range.
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01-01-2010 , 09:02 PM
Does anyone like a c/c on the flop?
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01-02-2010 , 12:26 AM
check call the flop maybe but the turn is a fold, regs are not spazing and shoving half a stack with nothing at 25
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