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NL 200 top pair A + 7 kicker in position in 3 bet pot facing turn c/r from serial checkraiser NL 200 top pair A + 7 kicker in position in 3 bet pot facing turn c/r from serial checkraiser

08-10-2010 , 02:42 PM
Reads and stats included with the prequel hand histories.


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $207.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $203.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 2 A
Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 2 8 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($64.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $42, Hero calls $42

River: ($148.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $60, Hero calls $60

Final Pot: $268.00
BB shows 9 K (a flush, Ace high)
Hero mucks 2 A
BB wins $267.50
(Rake: $0.50)


Early in the match he checkraises for the 3rd time in a row, I correctly call 2 streets while ahead but tragically am unable to find what I think should be an easy fold by the river when he overtakes me. Yes I've improved, but what am I beating once the flush hits the board?


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $335.10
Hero (BTN/SB): $207.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J J
Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) A A 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $22, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($56.00) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($56.00) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $28, BB calls $28

Final Pot: $112.00
BB shows Q 5 (a full house, Fives full of Aces)
Hero shows J J (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
BB wins $111.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Wtf he has the small boat and he checks turn, check-calls river? Big influence on how the hand in question goes down.


The hand in question:

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $386.60
Hero (BTN/SB): $206.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 A
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) K 9 A (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($52.00) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $34, BB raises to $94, Hero ??


Villain had been 3-betting me 25% so I think the call pre isn't great but isn't the worst call ever. Villain had been c-betting every flop in 3-bet pot but this is the first time I recall seeing a small bet, however this is the only time the board came with a texture similar to AK9r (i.e. lots of high cards, some gutshots, no FD) so I didn't view the small bet size as a reliable indicator at this stage of either strength or weakness.

His VPIP BB was high at 58% so I thought I'd value bet a little thin on the turn, when he check-raises, my first thought is to pitch it but my mind goes back to the hand literally just a couple minutes before where he boated up on the turn and checked the turn, check-called the river with his small house.

So looks like this means he's passive with his strong but just short of nutty hands. So it makes me think, in this spot, he will either have two pair+ already or be making this check-raise with some turned draw. And that I actually don't have to worry about an Ace with a better kicker as based on the prequel hand he is unlikely to check-raise such a holding on the turn. In other words, he's polarised.

So effectively it's like my hand is AQ. I look at the stats albeit over a small sample (50 hands played) - he's check-raised 2/3 of flops, and is check-raising this turn the very first chance he gets to c/r turn.

In order, how would you rank:

a) Call/call
b) Fold
c) Shove

And why?
NL 200 top pair A + 7 kicker in position in 3 bet pot facing turn c/r from serial checkraiser Quote
08-10-2010 , 06:09 PM
The two hands are very different from each other. He can certainly show up with like K8 or 89 there. And that's just a VERY wierd spot for him to be c/r bluffing. Because of that, I don't really give him credit for a bluff there and just fold.

And I think his turn play in the boat hand is fine. Not sure why you are betting the river, especially when an overcard hits.
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08-10-2010 , 06:19 PM
really easy fold, your range for betting two streets here is pretty strong so i wouldnt expect to see a bluff here much at all. The only thing he could even have for a bluff range is j 10 or q 10 and i dont think they c/r this turn really at all. Also you could argue your at the bottom of your betting range on this turn so in that respect as well I dont think calling this c/r or shoving is a good idea. fold and move on.
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08-10-2010 , 06:27 PM
Fold imo. His line looks superstrong.

And I agree with emKay about hand 2
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08-11-2010 , 10:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by emKay
The two hands are very different from each other. He can certainly show up with like K8 or 89 there. And that's just a VERY wierd spot for him to be c/r bluffing. Because of that, I don't really give him credit for a bluff there and just fold.

And I think his turn play in the boat hand is fine. Not sure why you are betting the river, especially when an overcard hits.
i think this is key. easy fold.
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