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09-05-2009 , 03:19 AM

Doyouknowhoami

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$0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (2 handed)

Known players:
BB(Hero) = ($101.00)
SB = ($109.00)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

.
SB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $10.00, SB calls $8.00.

Flop: ($22) 7

, 7

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $14.00, SB calls $14.00.

Turn: ($50) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $28.00, SB calls $28.00.

River: ($106) 9

(2 players)

Final Pot: $106.

Villain just sat down. What do we do on the river?

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09-05-2009 , 04:13 AM

derik

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i would shove, i think he´s got 22-66/4x here a ton.
If he floated with a Q or flopped trips, good for him.
There´s to little value in a c/c and i don´t like c/f either so
i would just jam

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09-05-2009 , 04:20 AM

kaah

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I think shoving is bluffing. I think the turnbet is sorta a bluff aswell.

WHat do you do when he raises turn?

Call me a nit but i dont see what you beat really. 66 55 33 22 AK? however if you check he will probably check them back always.

hoping he calls with those if you shove for value is sorta wishful

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09-05-2009 , 04:39 AM

derik

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Originally Posted by kaah

So you´re polarizing your range to trips or better when
you bet the turn then?
If villain is a somewhat thinking player i expect him to call down
very light here...

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09-05-2009 , 05:04 AM

kylefrey

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Originally Posted by derik

So you´re polarizing your range to trips or better when
you bet the turn then?
If villain is a somewhat thinking player i expect him to call down
very light here...

and overpairs, QK, AQ.

I would check/call river before jamming. It will most likely be checked back anyways, but there really isnt value in jamming without some history. At least checking he can turn floats and A high into bluffs. I doubt a random calls 3 streets with a high or underpairs.

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09-05-2009 , 05:12 AM

derik

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Originally Posted by kylefrey

Ok, and why would you bet QK+ and not 88 turn?
Is it because you can now call a raise and feel good about it
or is it because you assume that villain is weak tightish and
not a thinking one?
If you check turn do you c/c or c/f?
By checking turn you´re allowing him to take free cards
with his weaker range and for him to put in money with his stronger.
I don´t think he´s got air often when he flats turn unless it´s
a-high and i think average player folds gutters on the turn + we have
blockers to some of them.
Tbh i think i shove to light sometimes though so i´m not saying i know
shoving is the best play but i really don´t like to check turn.

Last edited by derik; 09-05-2009 at 05:29 AM.

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09-05-2009 , 05:26 AM

Doyouknowhoami

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The turn is a pure valuebet lol, we are beat only by trips and a random queen. The question is would he ever bluff the river here ? I think hes gonna cbh all the worse hands like 4x 22-66, so once he bets we know we are beat ? And what is the chance of him callin 3rd bullet with those hands ? Prob zero, well mb not, since its the start of the match. So the best option would be c/f river ?

p.s. Oh, and if he raises the turn i snapcall.

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09-05-2009 , 08:37 AM

PokerDuddel

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i ship river, c/c is really bad and c/f kinda sucks too, let him herocall with 4x or a smaller pocketpair, if he got tripps or Qx, that sucks, but ...happens.

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09-05-2009 , 09:49 AM

kaah

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derik to be honest i dont 3bet 88 because i think you get into situations like this all the time. Situations where every option is "meehh" I see what you mean by 2barling now but are u calling a shove turn?

I play turn like hero with AA KK QQ JJ TT 7x AQ QK QJ : air.
its prob 50/50

and before u say anything i dont think TT is like 88 here ;D

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09-05-2009 , 10:07 AM

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derik

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Originally Posted by kaah

Hehe, i don´t 3bet 88´s here either to often but i think
it´s close either way.
If you bet KQ here you should be betting 88´s also,
not only for balance but a random will call this turn light.
If you get raised on the turn there is very little difference
between those two hands if you play against a normal thinking person.
I would call down if raised turn also.
I don´t like to c/c river because there is a lot more made
hands than air on this board and the vast majority will chk behind rvr.
If you check turn rvr decision becomes tougher because
gutters and floats are still in his range while he presumable folds
those on the turn.

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09-05-2009 , 10:16 AM

#11

kaah

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Originally Posted by derik

I find it hard to believe that gutters and floats are still in his range after 2 barls.

It looks to me like villan is already made or has 99 TT QJ+ something at this river. If not I def do NOT think you will get 3 streets of value from 22..

This hand is a huge problem. Im never going to 3bet 88!

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09-05-2009 , 10:36 AM

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derik

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Originally Posted by kaah

I wrote that if we check turn draws and floats are still
in his range while he presumable folds turn with those if we 2b.
Makes the river decision a lot tougher if we chk behind turn.
Hero´s range here looks very polarized, like KQ+ in my eyes
so for villain to fold river when he calls turn getting 3:1 is tough.
Some players 4bets TT/99 here but very rarely 66-22 in this spot
so that makes it even less likely that you´re beat by a higher pair.
Players also call down very light on paired boards and given this
is early in the match i think a shove is better here.
shove>c/f>>>>>c/c.

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09-05-2009 , 11:08 AM

#13

Tempus

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Such a dry flops like this, people tend to float much. I think this is good spot to check-call the turn and river to induce bluffs and for pot control.

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