Hey guys

I'm about to enter the realm of 25NL, having successfully defeated all stakes previous and having also built a sufficient bankroll. As this is the most significant leap I've made thus far, I'm just wondering if there is anyone willing to offer some general advice for moving from 10NL to 25NL. Is there a big difference between these levels? What kinds of plays should I expect that are standard at 25NL and not 10NL? etc.

Thanks in advance!

This is a really good post about moving up by JLBorloo.

I just moved up from 10NL to 25NL a couple of days ago. I play on Full Tilt too. The only thing thats different is that generally there are a few more competent (but not necessarily good) players and a few less fish. But other than that its the same game

just play your game..you'll adjust after some time..
just don't think that they're playing back. sometimes they are but it doesn't matter
oh and try to understand who's better than u and who's worse..play against ppl who are worse..don't play back too much at the good ones - they'll find a way to take your money even faster if you play back too much..

I just moved this week from NL10 to NL25 and I must admit I'm kinda shocked and surprised how I'm doing way better at NL25 than NL10. I guess player are less ******ed but there is still plenty of fishes.

Continue to play your game and you'll be fine... I don't know if it,s a heater for me but, I'm pretty confident in my game, so I tend to say that I'm playing fairly well and guess what, it paid of. I made almost 10 Buy-ins in 4k hands or so... and guess what, I'm not running over EV.

Good luck at the tables!!

Nope. More competent regs at 10NL than 25NL. I've been PTR'ing people recently at 5 and 10NL and it's amazing how many are staying at those levels and never move up.

Well I find it easier at NL25 than NL10, no matter what are the reasons hehe

It is definitely a step up in terms of how competent the regs are. Play the fish the same, there are still tons of them at 25nl. I would say this is the first level where you need to adjust for light 3betting, because some regs will be 3betting you light. You may run into some tough opponents, but still basically all the regs have leaks, the majority of them very large ones. Basically play your same game and make small adjustments.

The regs at 25nl are definitely better than 10nl, even all the regs I thought were good when I look back now they were pretty bad and very exploitable.

Here's what people write about it.

This is true. I do not think it is a good idea to adjust your play a whole lot when you first move up if you have been beating the previous level. Many newbs start to over adjust and end up getting outplayed by regs at the higher level. Play what has made you successful and adjust slowly until you are settled in.

No, just no, no no no.

For every 10nl "reg" who would be competent at 25, there's another 4 who would just suck/breakeven.

Basically what strategywhat said +1.

NL 10 and 25 is almost the same game. This is the first stage in poker where you are starting to see even more regs than NL 10. Play ABC solid poker, try to avoid to get into difficult spots, how?

- Play marginal holdings in position!

- Do not setmine in 3bet pots out of position!

- Do not setmine LAG's, that raise from LP!

- Play your power-hands aggressively!

- Start to get a clue about thinner value. I promise: I regret that I didn't get a clue about this before I started out on NL 50.

- Do setmine people who cannot fold AA-JJ on low flops. There is a lot of these guys around. Simply just setmine when those nits for example is raising UTG or UTG+1. They have AA-TT and AQs+ every time.

- Yes you can 3bet 22-TT and A2-A5s+ etc. on late position opener in blinds. If you get somewhat more wild image (I regret I didn't when I played NL 25) Can and Will give you a lot more action.

- Play more aggressive, take fish to value town and try avoid bluffing them too much.

- Try to identify the players around you.

- Try guessing villains hands / ranges even if you are not involved in a hand if hand gets to showdown. You will get a clue about how people in general play their hands.

- Take good notes.

- If a good LAG is willing to commit, he usually has it. It's not like good LAG's goes broke just because they play LAG. I've seen so many people mis-use their HUDs and think somewhat semi wild LAG's goes broke easy post-flop, this is usually wrong.



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Stry: Yes, but it's a lot of bad regs on NL 25.

I have found 25NL to be much more aggressive than 10NL. More PF raising, more pre- and post-flop 3betting, more stealing.

Example: Not too strange to be sitting at a few 10NL tables that are running 25/3, 35/7. Where at 25NL you'll find more PF raising so they'll be 22/15, 18/10 and even tighter 13/7 etc.

As already stated, target the soft money, play IP and get some experience (and stats) on players.

EDIT: +1 Brutti - much better than what I said.

Heater

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Thanks for all the imput guys. Unfortunately I didn't last very long - 1 (big) mistake and a couple of coolers later and I am moving back down in the world. Another rakeback injection and some 10NL grinding and I'll go for attempt #2!

How many buyins did you have for $25 NL?

If you really want a good shot at making at a level you need a proper roll...

I was properly rolled at 20 BI, but if you lose a few big hands to start off, it's easy to become unrolled fairly quickly.

Its about the same level for both stakes...no need to worry. I also think that 20 BI would generally not be enough for any type of stake...should grab at least 30 or more, but would recommend 40+

I think the number of Buy ins you move up with depends on your skill level, confidence and discipline.

If you were beating 10NL for 4 ptbb+ then 20 BI is ok imo, unless the bigger pots are making you stray from your normal winning game.

If you have the discipline (like you did) to move down again after dropping some BI, then 20 should be fine.