Would things be any different in the 22 hand if everyone was 80+ BB's deep?

Forwarded to green plastic.


22 hand I hate raising to 50-60c because the really shortsctacked limper often shoves, the other SS calls and we can then either call or raise and play for stacks against the 60bb guy with 22. Not good, not good at all. I think the only options are to raise to like .9 directly or fold or limp behind.

.9 means that no-one can raise after the SS shoves but it still leads to a multiway pot with the AI ss and the 60bb guy with pot being 35bb. Not good with 22. We would have to openshove pretty much all flops.

limping behind is ideal IMO because it's unlikely enough that the blinds start isolating and the amount of stations here mean that we get paid well enough if we hit. If one of the blinds isolates and the SS shoves, we would have to limp fold because the PFR would have the option of shoving over our limp call
and we would have to fold after investing 12.5bb. At least I would shove with all of my isolation range from the blinds if I iso to 6bb, ss shoves, you call.

would def be a tougher decision between overlimp and raise. probably a raise since the loosest players are on your immediate right.

First shot at Rush Poker. Maybe I spoke too soon ...



Bankroll is now at over $500, so I will take the rest of the day off to celebrate this milestone. Will post update in a follow-up post.

my line of thinking differs from most on this hand. i'd appreciate any feedback on my thought process.

In the original hand, I'd prefer to raise w 22 on the button, and of course calling a shove from the shorty.

In the new scenario, with villains 80+ BB's deep, I'd much prefer to limp and play purely for hitting our set and hopefully getting the chance to get paid in big pot.

EDIT: And WOW at that Rush graph

Progress Milestone: $500 Bankroll!

As I posted when I doubled my initial bankroll from $100 to $200, this was going to be my next milestone. The green line represents my winnings, the blue line factors in the 27% rakeback I'm getting which gets added to the bankroll.



Thus, I'm taking the rest of the day off from the poker tables and will do a few other things. Next milestone will be $1,000.

Damn dude your crushing it! anyway to add hours played

This quote is from the MP post, but it made me think about flatting with AA for deception, something I haven't really done before. This hand came up in a session just after, and it worked well. Sure, JJ beat me, but that is the only hand this villain (playing 13/7 over small sample; no 3bets yet) would be playing like this, so I liked my chances.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP ($4.15)
CO ($14.60)
Button ($5.80)
SB ($14.80)
BB ($11.35)
Hero (UTG) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero bets $0.30, 4 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.05) 5, 6, J (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BB raises to $10.35 (All-In), Hero calls $4.50 (All-In)

Turn: ($20.05) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.05) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.05 | Rake: $0.95

Results:
BB had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $19.10

Congratulations on reaching the milestone verneer!

Great winrate so far. Keep it up.

congrats verneer,

what are you tips from moving from 5NL to 10NL in terms of how you play or are you just playing the same? I killed 5NL and made the move to 10NL and I'm down 40 buyins. SHould I switch back to 5NL and grind it until I get back to 20 buyins or just grind 10NL and hope for the best with my 16 buyins?

If you are down 40 BI at NL10 there is something massively wrong with your game, that cannot just be a downswing. I'd advise moving back down.

The 22 hand I would limp as there are too many risks to raising. The shortstackers can come over the top then we are having to be a dog if we call.

If it was 80bb deep then we can safely raise.

Today lost 4 times KK vs AA allin preflop, that was sick.

that was cool too, again -2bi below EV

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $27.45
SB: $25.00
BB: $30.15
Hero (UTG): $91.45
MP: $25.00
CO: $33.90

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($12.35) 8 2 K (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, CO calls $6.50

Turn: ($25.35) T (2 players)
Hero bets $78.95 all in, CO calls $21.40 all in

River: ($68.15) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $68.15
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
CO shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
CO wins $65.15
(Rake: $3.00)

Agreed - it's time to move down and re-examine your game.

Wow, seems like 2010 is starting with my first losing month as a pokerplayer. Made $11k last year with mostly 50NL (inc. bonusses), but seems like this year is going to be very, very though. I am playing 25NL now am only a marginal winner this month.

Thank God for this thread.

-btw, just cashed out and my BR is also $500, just like verneer. Hope I keep up with him-

Rush Poker

Looks like I'm going to be playing Rush for the next few days to see what's up. There is a lot of talk about it and I want to get a more in-depth look myself.

While I laughed at it initially, if there is profit to be found there now, why not play?

Sorry to hear that ... I am concerned that reading this tread is coinciding with you losing at poker. What's up with that?

This thread is definitely improving my game, but that's the reason this bad month is even more frustrating. But its just a downswing combined with some sessions where I don't play my A-game, no problem. Just focus and things will turn around.

Btw, my major leak is that I am just to resultoriented. I rather have a session where I suck out a couple times and win 2BI's than a session where I play perfect and end up BE.

I was very skeptical about Rush Poker when I first heard about it, but reading all the threads and posts I just got to try it out, will do it tomorrow.

So I was just wondering Verneer, and anyone else for that matter, if you've found a "optimal" way to play the Rush Poker?

I've only played 400 hands today, but here is one piece of advice: Run good.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $5.35
BTN: $16.05
SB: $14.90
BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $18.24
MP: $16.83

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 4 4
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 4 7 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, SB raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $5.90, BTN raises to $15.75 all in, SB calls $13.20 all in, Hero calls $9.85

Turn: ($47.10) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($47.10) J (3 players - 2 are all in)


Gonna play a lot more tonight and will be working on some things. Obviously the game is in a state of flux right now, so what worked 12 hours ago probably won't in the next 12. But ... gonna think about some general things and let you guys know.

Yeah have to remember the most valuable advice itt. When against an overset, remember to turn quads!

should this have been folded? villian was running 38/22 over 85 hands. This call was made because of the stats but I thought he could show up with a set but not all the time.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $6.75
BTN: $1.75
Hero (SB): $8.55
BB: $10.00
UTG: $9.80
UTG+1: $10.20
UTG+2: $9.80
MP1: $11.95
MP2: $15.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($2.70) 6 J 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP2 raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $7.25 all in, MP2 calls $2.75

Turn: ($17.20) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($17.20) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

SORRY!! HH didnt post results, he had a set of Jacks

I don't think I could get away from that one. He could have KK, QQ, AJ, AsKs, AsQs just as often.

What Would You Do (Conclusion)
January 19th, 2010

Here is the initial question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoEHI0Li7ew

And here is my analysis. I was right in line with what you guys talked about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_KVDQm-INc