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most optimal line here? 10nl spot i had a tough time folding, possibly near end of sesh tilt? most optimal line here? 10nl spot i had a tough time folding, possibly near end of sesh tilt?

01-05-2012 , 02:33 PM
Merge - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $11.37
SB: $9.75
BB: $12.59
BB: $10.70
UTG: $7.24
UTG+1: $10.05
MP: $9.39

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 2 5 3
BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB raises to $0.96, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($2.57, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $1.92, BB calls $1.92

River: ($6.41, 2 players) 5
[color=red]BB bets $9.41 and is all-in

I only had played 44 hands w/ villain, but was 57/0...I should have been concerned he was c/r flop and jamming riv but wasn't as much as I would have liked to have been...prob a tilt/steam off on my part near end of a session if I call?

thoughts on most optimal lines here? and why? TY
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01-05-2012 , 02:55 PM
minraise = set, donk otr = full house, fold, easy game, move on

EDIT:
forgot about perfect line: pre to 3/4/5+BB (nitty/std/megaloose) table, flop bet and it's probably b/f, because 50+/0s don't really raise lower overpairs, they just call all the way. Turn is ok. River is a fold, you're not beating anything, chopping at best, 80%+ of his range beats you.

Last edited by krooku; 01-05-2012 at 03:03 PM.
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01-05-2012 , 03:07 PM
reraise flop. yeah, it could be a set, it could also be 66-TT. Or A5.
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01-05-2012 , 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krooku
minraise = set, donk otr = full house, fold, easy game, move on

EDIT:
forgot about perfect line: pre to 3/4/5+BB (nitty/std/megaloose) table, flop bet and it's probably b/f, because 50+/0s don't really raise lower overpairs, they just call all the way. Turn is ok. River is a fold, you're not beating anything, chopping at best, 80%+ of his range beats you.
+1
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01-05-2012 , 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krooku
minraise = set, donk otr = full house, fold, easy game, move on

EDIT:
forgot about perfect line: pre to 3/4/5+BB (nitty/std/megaloose) table, flop bet and it's probably b/f, because 50+/0s don't really raise lower overpairs, they just call all the way. Turn is ok. River is a fold, you're not beating anything, chopping at best, 80%+ of his range beats you.
I disagree, the flop minraise from a fish is verrrrry often a mis-applied "I know you missed that flop and I haz top pair/weak overpair". Happens to me all the time.

CSB: last week in my home game I raised AK, fish called, flop was KT6 rainbow. I cbet 4 into 6 and got minraised to 8. Knowing this player did this constantly, I reraised. He showed K2 suited and folded. Why did he raise?
most optimal line here? 10nl spot i had a tough time folding, possibly near end of sesh tilt? Quote
01-05-2012 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krooku
minraise = set, donk otr = full house, fold, easy game, move on

EDIT:
forgot about perfect line: pre to 3/4/5+BB (nitty/std/megaloose) table, flop bet and it's probably b/f, because 50+/0s don't really raise lower overpairs, they just call all the way. Turn is ok. River is a fold, you're not beating anything, chopping at best, 80%+ of his range beats you.
+1...tyty..haven't posted anything here in a while..i think normally i dont make such a dumb call on riv and avert disaster, was probably more of a personal case of tilt in form of ready to wrapup end of session, should just snap leave the tables sooner when ready imo...

ty again
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01-05-2012 , 04:16 PM
+1 to stack off flop with AA... clear value spot
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01-05-2012 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Exothermic
+1 to stack off flop with AA... clear value spot
Indeed, this dude will probably call with worse "putting you on AK/AQ". Overpairs, flush draws, straight draws could stack off since he's played over half of the last 44 hands. If we are behind, we have 6 outs and a back door. It's always a horrible feeling stacking off vs a min raise only to see a set, but we can't always think "min raise = set" otherwise we get MUBS.

If we were playing against a passive 14/7 reg, i'd have more concern. As played (and if this was a passive 14/7), since it's unlikely he holds 66, i would lead turn for pot as he's probably going to cling on to any set with dear life. If the river blanks, i'm leading for 1/2 pot. If the river boats up i'm c/folding. The reason for this is, he'll likely get any A high in OTT, he'll be unlikely to make a big river bluff with missed draws OTR since he's passive.

But since he's a 57/0, i'm getting it in OTF. Any flop stats the last 44 hands? Aggression etc? We should know a little since he's played about 23 hands.

Last edited by LimpFoldAces; 01-05-2012 at 04:48 PM.
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01-05-2012 , 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtagliaf
I disagree, the flop minraise from a fish is verrrrry often a mis-applied "I know you missed that flop and I haz top pair/weak overpair". Happens to me all the time.

CSB: last week in my home game I raised AK, fish called, flop was KT6 rainbow. I cbet 4 into 6 and got minraised to 8. Knowing this player did this constantly, I reraised. He showed K2 suited and folded. Why did he raise?
Home game dynamics cannot be compared to online.

Almost 50 hands tell us he's calling station. Calling stations don't raise weak overpairs (often even AA). Of course we cannot say if he's passive or aggro post, but std 50/0 do not raise here with any worse.

More aggro fishes most likely lead low flops with "I-know-you-have-AK-air" - not check/minraise.

Just my observations from 4 & 10NL.
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01-05-2012 , 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by krooku
Home game dynamics cannot be compared to online.

Almost 50 hands tell us he's calling station. Calling stations don't raise weak overpairs (often even AA). Of course we cannot say if he's passive or aggro post, but std 50/0 do not raise here with any worse.

More aggro fishes most likely lead low flops with "I-know-you-have-AK-air" - not check/minraise.

Just my observations from 4 & 10NL.
Ooops, looks like i read the hand wrong the first time! I thought we were OOP. In that case, call in position and pot bet turn, fold to river over bet! simples.
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