Hey Everyone,

I've been thinking about why its been so hard for me to get out of uNL and thought it might be because of either of these subjects:

Which is more important for your winrate/profitability?

1) Being able to make good/regular laydowns, iE Folding

or

2) Bluffing out your opponent, IE Cbetting, floating, 3bet bluffs, semi-bluffs, etc


Even though i'm sure their somewhat weighted equally, which do people think, are more important to pulling out more winning sessions?

Thoughts and Discussions appreciated

3) Value betting

I think bluffing and staying aggressive is since most of the time you really don't need to make big laydowns at micros bc people go crazy with nothing sometimes.

Neither. It's more likely sticking with 2nd level thinking (or worse) and as a result not being able to place opponents on a likely hand. That, or not taking good notes to get a good read on your opponents. Perhaps it's also poor table selection: staying in a really tough game when there are tons of softer tables out there. Probably a mix of a lot of these things. Making laydowns, bluffs, floats and etc is all about reads, notes, and 3rd level (or higher) thinking when you're up against a crafty opponent. It just seems to me that you may be playing a few too many tables and taking far too few notes. COMPLETE guess though.

Take it with a grain of salt, I'm a NL10er for now.

If you gotta ask, I think yer thinking about the game wrong.

Neither one is vitally important and seems like a quesiton someone would ask me when I tell them I play poker for a living.

Just... learn solid ABC postflop poker and play it. Read the stickies.

a little contradictory no??

any way seems that u believe the most importants would be note taking..

All the things people pointed out is already known to most players. Actively hunting fish, and playing ABC poker. I'm just trying to think in terms of increasing one's winrate, which points should I tweak in my game to try to get a better result. Also I just wonder if folding more in tricky spots will be better for a person's bottom line vs more aggression.

Thanks for the replies so far

How is that contradictory? Note that 3rd level thinking is specific to crafty opponents, whereas reads and notes aren't specific to anyone.

More like information implementation. Knowing you can get 3 streets of value off of your opponent with top pair, top kicker because he calls fairly liberally with top pair weak kicker or worse is great for your bottom line. I of course say this assuming that you're not felting with top pair all the time, and that you have no huge preflop leaks in your game like I do.

you see no one person here knows how you play. we dont know if ur loose, aggressive, tight or passive. we dont know if u like to play fast preflop, or anything about for that matter. i can not begin to tell u what u should work on if u i dont know anything about you.

that being said. why dont you start a post that says...does laying down here or making a big bluff help my win rate more. then post a particular hand at a particular spot where u are confused and think its tricky.

believe me i have been trying to learn this game for a long time and your not going to be able to just read a couple of answers from one broad question, go to a table and then rake in the cash and never look back. believe me this game is a lot easier learned when people can comment on your particular hands.

playing against crafty third level players completely contradicts the idea of table selection...why do u want to go play against people who are good, ur doin it wrong

I think thats something i'm gonna work on and sounds like it would probably help my game.

Your also right that I havn't said much about my game, although I don't really know myself at this point. I've played from 10NL to 50NL and each level have different opponents and different kinks to it. I've experimented with 15vpip ranges to 22vpip ranges and still havn't found my sweet spot or find a strategy that can help me consistently grow my BR. I've had my BR up to 1k and slapped back down to 10nl. So at the moment i'm just trying to plug leaks, look for some insight, and hopefully get out of uNL one day.

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but sometimes playing against crafty opponents is unavoidable. I'm not going to give up on a good table just because there happens to be one or two players who are actually tight. Like I said, this is not contradictory at all, you're just on the first level.

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