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01-03-2011 , 09:52 AM
Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $52.84
BB: $7.51
UTG: $9.15
CO: $3.60
Hero (BTN): $20.95

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.20) T Q J (2 players)
SB bets $1.40, Hero raises to $4.46, SB raises to $53.02, Hero calls $15.44 all in

Turn: ($42.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($42.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Is flop a call here when I'm this deep? Villain (32/29, 3bet 8% over 270 ) is a bit spazzy with AIs and such with marginal hands...
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01-03-2011 , 11:27 AM
fold pre and fold pre at 3bet.
As played pre, broke OTF is ok
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01-03-2011 , 11:31 AM
I think opening pre is fine -- why don't you like it giga?

Fold to 3-bet for sure, though.

Think the raise sizing is too small -- there is 5 in the pot if we were to call so you're only putting another 3 into that. I'd prefer a bigger raise because we can ship the turn if villain calls.
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01-03-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stemm
I think opening pre is fine -- why don't you like it giga?

Fold to 3-bet for sure, though.

Think the raise sizing is too small -- there is 5 in the pot if we were to call so you're only putting another 3 into that. I'd prefer a bigger raise because we can ship the turn if villain calls.
i'm nitty
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01-03-2011 , 11:40 AM
Shipping on this flop is never terrible, but when we are deep we are almost never getting called by a non-set hand. The best we can hope for is aces, and aces would never feel good about getting it in on this flop deep. So yes, I prefer a call so we can realize our equity before making the pot big.

If you were 100 BBs or even 150BBs, I'd say insta ship.
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01-03-2011 , 11:44 AM
Fold to 3bet pre.

Flop is fine.
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01-03-2011 , 12:01 PM
If the blinds are tight I open K7s otb most of the time. I'd go as far as saying that I'd open it otb most of the time unless the blinds are playing back at me.

I definately fold to the 3 bet though.

You went to see a flop anyway.
I think his range has a lot of sets and AK nut hands.
If he has AQ he's also never folding and we're far behind.
Unless the SB is a frequent 3better from the blinds, I'd find it hard to put him on the nut flush draw unless he has specifically AQ.

My point is that most of the time so playing for FE is kind of futile.
I'd much rather call and get it in we make a flush on the turn. If he has a set, he'll probably call hoping to fill up, because who folds a set? If he has AK, he'll probably call if he has the A.If you call the flop and an offsuit 9 comes and he keeps betting big, you should beware of making a very expensive second best hand, but that's the risk of playing stuff like K7s.

Some of this is pretty obvious, but I don't think getting it in on the flop is profitable, since so much of his range is nuts or near nuts.

Also, if he has something marginal like AJ, AT or low PP and is just taking a stab at the pot, there's a good chance he'll check to you on the turn giving you a chance to steal the pot or take a free card. I think being in position with deep stacks is another argument for just calling.
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01-03-2011 , 12:38 PM
Opening pre: good
Calling pre: not very good (you're going to get tough decisions against this guy when you hit a K and get action)

Getting it in on the flop: terrible

- The part of his range against we have fold equity, we can push off on the turn (Underpairs, mid pairs, bottom pairs, gutshots)

- The part of his range that isn't folding, crushes us (Flushdraws, 2 pairs, sets, straights, overpairs, toppairs (with A and K and some weak kickers).

The part that crushes is by far the biggest part of his range, due to preflop action and board texture+ continuation bet.

We need 36% after you raised anyway, but we have around 26% against A.

26.103% { Kd7c }
73.897% { TT+, AKs, Ad9d, Ad8d, KQs, Q9s+, JTs, 9d8d, 8d7d, 7d6d, 6d5d, AKo, KQo, QTo+, JTo }

So raise/calling is bad. Very bad.
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01-03-2011 , 12:40 PM
hello

fold pre

flat flop
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01-03-2011 , 12:46 PM
Herro!

this board smacks everything, going broke is not good
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01-03-2011 , 12:49 PM
hello brian j

a fine poster may i add, and i echo those sentiments
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01-03-2011 , 12:49 PM
As someone else said there is little fold equity as this board just crushes a 3 bet range. TT,JJ,QQ,AK. You said villain's a bit spazzy for getting it in with marginal stuff so AQ,KK,AA is all in his get it in range no matter how deep. I'd just call flop and turn and hope to hit. When you raise flop to get it in you're risking nearly $20 and there's only 2$ in the pot. I reckon raising is a bit level 1 and playing your absolute hand strength rather than your relative.
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01-03-2011 , 12:50 PM
Flop good, but it is fold pre-flop !
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01-03-2011 , 12:50 PM
Damn 2 minutes too late.
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01-03-2011 , 01:10 PM
On that flop you have pretty much zero fold equity. Against sets and AK your equity isn't as good as one qould think. You are drawing to only flush outs against AK KK and any board pairing makes your draw worthless afainst TT-QQ. Even AA has two blockers.

Your fold equity is also bad because everything hits this board and everything has somethink extra. TT-QQ sets, AK 98 straight, AQ TP+GS, KK overpair+OESD, AA overpair+GS and no one folds AA anyway. These hands nobody folds except maaaybe AQ. Most won't fold 2pr JT QJ nor TPGK+OESD KQ either.

So what are you hoping he folds? underpairsand AJ AT? Those you will get to fold anyway and people don't like cbetting this board unless they have something.

And although we have OESD+FD just stove our hand against even a wide getting it in range (that is 7,8% of all possible hands, almost as wide as his whole 3 betting range)
We are a dog. This is a spot where just calling the flop IP is so so much better than raising.

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68,310 games 0.005 secs 13,662,000 games/sec

Board: Qh Jd Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.720% 41.90% 02.82% 28619 1929.50 { Kd7d }
Hand 1: 55.280% 52.45% 02.82% 35832 1929.50 { 99+, AQs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, AQo+, KQo, QJo }
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01-03-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Damn 2 minutes too late.
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