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[Micro] QQ cold 4bet vs 5bet shove from loose fish [Micro] QQ cold 4bet vs 5bet shove from loose fish

05-22-2023 , 08:26 PM
Guy was a fish playing loose postflop in previous hands. Called the shov on the spot. However I watched some content afterwards and learned a preflop exploit with loose fish is that their non cold 5 bet shove ranges are actually tight and QQ is an exploitative fold. However knowing what the guy had I'm not sure what to think.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.02(BB)
BB ($4.55) [VPIP: 36.6% | PFR: 28.2% | AGG: 23.3% | Hands: 78]
UTG ($4.29) [VPIP: 67.8% | PFR: 8.5% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 60]
HJ ($2) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.1% | Hands: 462]
CO ($4.53) [VPIP: 47.4% | PFR: 21.8% | AGG: 42.4% | Hands: 158]
BTN ($2.20) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 246]
HERO ($2) [VPIP: 30.2% | PFR: 24% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 17146]

Dealt to Hero: Q Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.06, BTN Raises To $0.18, HERO Raises To $0.52, BB Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2.20 (allin), HERO Calls $1.48 (allin)

Flop ($4.28): Q 7 9

Turn ($4.28): Q 7 9 8

River ($4.28): Q 7 9 8 T
[Micro] QQ cold 4bet vs 5bet shove from loose fish Quote
05-22-2023 , 08:40 PM
Is this 2nl or 5nl? What's the other alternative?
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05-22-2023 , 08:45 PM
2 nl, lots of loose action and multiple fish were sucking out. I called the shove, but some mda stuff was recommending to fold QQ against fish after 4betting.
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05-22-2023 , 11:15 PM
I would literally never think about folding QQ pre at 2nl. Especially when you know they are loose fish.
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05-23-2023 , 01:10 AM
Yes they are lose but 5bet bluffing doesn't really exist at 2nl probably still not folding Qs though
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05-23-2023 , 01:42 AM
I don't think "never fold QQ at NLxx" is true, there are tight opponents and preflop sequences of actions which make me believe my QQ isn't good.

However this is not such a case! Once we 4bet this guy we snapcall the shove. What makes you think he always have KK, AA here ?
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05-23-2023 , 05:12 AM
BTN has everything but fishy stats - he probably crushes 2NL with these stats.
He is not loose at all with 22/20
He had KK or AA for sure.
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05-23-2023 , 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dude45
Yes they are lose but 5bet bluffing doesn't really exist at 2nl probably still not folding Qs though
Both low and medium stakes players live and online usually have a 3bet range of nothing but AA and KK. So the never folding QQ preflop on these stakes is foolish. Over half the players have a 3bt 1% and the other 48% of players its 2%.

dude45 is why poker is still profitable for us.
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05-23-2023 , 05:36 PM
He had 66 for runner runner straight. Just trying to see if thinking more preflop has its place and when it doesn't.
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05-23-2023 , 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3betdonker
He had 66 for runner runner straight. Just trying to see if thinking more preflop has its place and when it doesn't.
Put that player on your bum hunting list immediately
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05-23-2023 , 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kendoo
BTN has everything but fishy stats - he probably crushes 2NL with these stats.
He is not loose at all with 22/20
He had KK or AA for sure.
Do you still think BTN is a crusher after seeing they had 66?
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05-23-2023 , 07:47 PM
Again, never fold QQ pre at 2nl
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05-23-2023 , 09:14 PM
If there's some min button clicking you can maybe make the case for folding even KK if they have a pfr of like 5 and you have a decent sample ... But not when they pile pre...
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05-23-2023 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Again, never fold QQ pre at 2nl
I once seen 24s 5 bet AA in a 2/5 game and won. Again, never fold 24s pre at a 2/5 game.

showing how you're results oriented.
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05-27-2023 , 08:17 AM
Redsixerfish BANNNNNED…..
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05-27-2023 , 09:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kendoo
Redsixerfish BANNNNNED…..
Probably just gonna pop back up under a different username
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05-27-2023 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Redsixerfan
I once seen 24s 5 bet AA in a 2/5 game and won. Again, never fold 24s pre at a 2/5 game.

showing how you're results oriented.
Yes results consistently show that folding QQ preflop at 2nl is not good because people jam all kinds of crazy stuff. Theres no reason to overthink it.
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05-27-2023 , 10:15 AM
Is this one of those bad beats disguised as a question
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05-27-2023 , 10:53 AM
QQ owned again
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