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07-04-2013 , 09:01 AM
Sh@ has no personal interest/connection to either of us so thats not an argument and he is finished playing also.
He is just like a random exxept he is creator of challenge/rules which should naturally make him the most relevant judge. He is unhappy with me aswell and is basing the decision soley on facts and what is most fair for this showdown; it seems pretty clear this is his only intention.
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07-04-2013 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Sh@i'tan
I know. Think there are some reasonable circumstances to not want to play though. downswing is not one of them.
He busted his entire roll, what sounded like his life roll as well.

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Now after being aware of that you keep on arguing. now u have a deadline.
Just as you are not in a position to make a decision on his forfeit, you are not in a position to set a deadline. The funds are in escrow for a reason and you aren't the escrow for a reason.

It's your challenge but you can't adjudicate solely on the rules, especially if there is a disagreement. And you can certainly not make up rules half way through like you are doing with the deadline BS. I really feel like you are trying to bully me here and it is not right.


I await to see what Internet and terp have to say about this, I'd also like their opinion on your "deadline" and attempts at bullying me to accept your decision.
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07-04-2013 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0


Just as you are not in a position to make a decision on his forfeit, you are not in a position to set a deadline. The funds are in escrow for a reason and you aren't the escrow for a reason.

It's your challenge but you can't adjudicate solely on the rules, especially if there is a disagreement. And you can certainly not make up rules half way through like you are doing with the deadline BS. I really feel like you are trying to bully me here and it is not right.

we have already discussed this in a pm. The escrow last time was the organizer and he would have had final say so ur logic does not work.

The person who is judging the dispute should not come to a decision based upon the rules. is this real life?

Bullying? loool. Sure the deadline isn't fair I've already said as much wasting my time repeatedly is also not fair. Sending me PMs with the same argument and making multiple posts with the same arguments that have 0 ground to stand on is insane. There is nothing more to discuss I don't care what a moderator has to say. My decision has already been made. You signed up for my challenge. you made a commitment to play until you were up 6 buyins and your opponent quit or you play 1500 hands. This is the bottom line. He never was allowed to forfeit before playing a hand. You are breaking your word by refusing to play. I do not care if I'm being unfair to a poker player who breaks his word.
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07-04-2013 , 12:14 PM
I'm not breaking my word, I will play if that is the decision. I'm disputing your right to make it still, and as I've said I'll see what the escrow and mod say.

edit/ I'm also done with this issue till Monday, I'm away all weekend, if terp or internet still don't want to step in by then we can re-evaluate and perhaps I will be forced by your bullying tactics to play.

Last edited by deathorglory0; 07-04-2013 at 12:22 PM.
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07-04-2013 , 05:01 PM
zzzzzzzzzz

so instead of getting the match done you waste time that you could have been playing him dragging out an argument. I really wish I could be justified in kicking you out.

Step in and say what lol. I have polled poker players whose opinions I value on whether or not it is reasonable for the organizer to be in charge of any disputes unless stated otherwise.

You 2 are playing. unfortunately i cannot force you to play at an inconvenience. pls try to get this done in a reasonable timeframe
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07-04-2013 , 05:16 PM
ok, i think you are totally out of line.

but we shall play. messaging him now and if he is ready we can start now. if not it will probably have to be monday for me.
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07-04-2013 , 06:03 PM
Shaitan on a power trip big time. I personally feel he shouldn't have to play at all if he doesnt want to. The other guy forfeited. Simple as that. But I also feel like he should just harden the **** up and play anyway. The aim of this is to get in hands, so just do it?
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07-04-2013 , 07:05 PM
whoever goes through is gonna get a beat down in the final anyways
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07-04-2013 , 08:00 PM
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whoever goes through is gonna get a beat down in the final anyways
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07-04-2013 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dougiedan678
whoever goes through is gonna get a beat down in the final anyways
indeed

still not sure if the poster above you is a sick hustler or clueless idiot when suggesting you were only a 52.3% favorite v me. i got raped
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07-04-2013 , 08:14 PM
Lol at this thread. DG you are clearly afraid of losing, that is the only thing very obvious. You should 100% have to play this match. You are going to take what someone says when they are tilted out of their mind and lost their 20k roll at face value?! He obviously had a chance to cool off and the match should be played. Im the outsider you have been asking for and have been around for quite a while. Game on boys and good luck all
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07-04-2013 , 09:32 PM
For once, im actually rooting for Savorxoxo to win the match.
DG you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship
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07-04-2013 , 09:45 PM
just read this. i mean, i get death's pov. however this isn't Wimbledon. there weren't really any consequences from savor saying he wanted to forfeit in a tilted state and later realizing he did want to play. i mean the tourney didn't progress further so no harm no foul imo. obviously some1 shouldn't be able to just frequently forfeit then change their mind etc.; people don't want to be jerked around and if someone is doing that often or being a ****ty sport or w/e then they don't get invited back. but this seems like an unusual circumstance where savor lost a ton of money and didn't feel like playing 1500 hands of 50nl at the time. a couple days later or w/e he got untilted and there was still time for the match to take place so he changed his mind.

i think the match should be played. its within the spirit of the purpose of this tourney. every1 swallow their pride, play the match, and drop it. this is what every1 wanted when they signed up for this--to play poker. obviously this isnt about making $, there's a lot better ways to do it.

but in the future, if you want to force some1 to play u have them escrow the # hands*.75bb (price of folding every hand), or some amt that covers the penalty of not playing the required hands, which the players would get back after they have fulfilled their playing requirements. as it stands their current escrow amt for prizes for the winners acts as the forfeitable penalty for not playing. so maybe that should be reviewed going forward.
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07-05-2013 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
You should be asking me if I will play out our match. Not saying "lets play tonight", after you gave me the tie 2 days ago. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't even have the balls to ask a guy to play me, let alone (almost) demanding it.

It is a big deal to me. It is distracting me from my grind atm, and if you were re-instated it would put me mentally very much on the back foot in the match, after having thought I was through to the final since Monday.
man up

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
i think the match should be played. its within the spirit of the purpose of this tourney. every1 swallow their pride, play the match, and drop it.
+1
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07-08-2013 , 04:04 PM
savorxoxo has just given me the tie again, this time he is 400bb down after 1099 hands. there is a 606bb difference in our totals with 401 hands left to play. so he is 6bi down to me, does that count as enough to forfeit? or does he need to actually lose 6 buy ins?

i told him we needed to continue to 1500 hands. he has called me scum, a multi-accounter and then he deleted me from skype.

Spoiler:
[20:12:52] K: glgl
[20:46:22] K: well done getting someone else to play for u
[20:46:23] K: fckn scum
[20:47:55] D: lol i refute that claim, what utter nosense
[20:48:01] K: hahhhhahahahhaa
[20:48:06] K: he was 100x better than you
[20:48:11] K: i would've bet my life that wasnt u
[20:48:58] D: because i changed strategy i must have got someone else to play for me
[20:49:22] K: whatever
[20:49:23] K: take the win
[20:49:27] D: i swear i've been playing myself the whole time, are we continuing the match?
[20:49:30] K: that definitely wasnt u playing
[20:49:35] K: no
[20:49:37] K: im done


this is really getting tiring, rule maker and judge of everything, Sh@i'tan, what do you say? can me and dougie start organising the final or shall we wait 2 days for savorxoxo to untilt and un-forfeight again?

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Originally Posted by Sh@i'tan
No it's not forfeit when you want. The rule is you can quit any time you are down greater than 6 buyins.
he's losing over 6bi so hopefully it is GG, finally. unless he wants to continue along the accusing me of multi-accounting route. not much i can say to defend myself there other than saying to ask DrHouse, because i changed styles in that match drastically as well. it's a total insult but i guess he was tilted so we can excuse him, right?

Last edited by deathorglory0; 07-08-2013 at 04:19 PM.
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07-08-2013 , 05:27 PM
what's known to me is that i faced a nitfish for the first half of the match and a competent, highly aggressive player after the break - whatever though, not like this has any grounds so well done and gg.
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07-08-2013 , 05:37 PM
yes, it hasn't any grounds because it isn't true. i'll take it as a compliment that you think i got a "competent, highly aggressive player" to take over.

you are out of line to accuse me, but nothing surprises me with you

so anyway ty and gg (hopefully, as you may be forced to play the remaining hands or even pay a $ forfeit if Sh@i'tan has his way!)...

we await the challenge creators decision, Sh@i'tan, don't keep me hanging mate...
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07-08-2013 , 06:02 PM
It's entirely possible that deathorglory ran hot in the second part of the match, and your perception of him changed.
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07-08-2013 , 06:04 PM
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It's entirely possible that deathorglory ran hot in the second part of the match, and your perception of him changed.
yeah i'm not ******ed, and he ran hot the whole match fwiw.
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07-08-2013 , 06:12 PM
also i was "[20:51:22] K: completely undeserving"
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07-08-2013 , 06:30 PM
you lost man just take it on the chin, you sound like a little girl.
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07-08-2013 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by savorxoxo
yeah i'm not ******ed, and he ran hot the whole match fwiw.
Good to know, you just sounded it a little.
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07-09-2013 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0

so anyway ty and gg (hopefully, as you may be forced to play the remaining hands or even pay a $ forfeit if Sh@i'tan has his way!)...

we await the challenge creators decision, Sh@i'tan, don't keep me hanging mate...
lolol I only have say in disputes....

gl in finals.

master handicapper chriseddy care to set a line?

Last edited by Sh@i'tan; 07-09-2013 at 12:19 AM.
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07-09-2013 , 12:36 AM
Haha I don't even know who deathorglory even is. But I'll take dougie at evens if you want it
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07-09-2013 , 01:31 AM
what a mess. forfeiting then changing mind as well as throwing around wild accusations is not cool, esp since these actions put this whole thing into a bad light. glad you manned up dg, though i totally get your point.
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