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Medium PP vs drunken spewtard maniac Medium PP vs drunken spewtard maniac

10-29-2010 , 05:26 AM
It's around 11:45pm and Villain is playing literally 100/80 over 15 or 20 hands and is opening almost every pot for between 4x and 20x (!!). Clearly a drunken moron.

About 3 hands previously he opened otb for 10x (yup) and I shoved over from the SB with AQo. He snapped and I won the 160bb-ish pot unimproved when the board came 44338 (Boss Media does not show mucked hands, even to pokertracker, so idk what he had)

Anyway then this hand came:

Boss Media - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1.71
SB: $3.52
Hero (BB): $6.19

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7 7

fold, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) 8 5 3
SB bets $0.24....

What's our move here? Talk of ranges is kinda pointless imho with stats and play like this V could have anything. If we continue in any shape or form we will end up playing for stacks, so question really is if we shove here is there enough hands he'll call with to make it +EV

Also I guess 3bet pre is an option, though I was more comfortable doing it with a strong ace than a medium pp
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10-29-2010 , 06:38 AM
Vs this guy, I think I raise and get it in, expecting him to think we're fos alot here and to stack off any pair, some draws and alot of ace highs. This really depends on whether he's been agro or passive post flop up to now though.
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10-29-2010 , 06:58 AM
Yeah good point re his post flop tendancies. I saw him stack off post flop with junk, like any pair and ace high, so I really think this is kinda +EV to shove.

Only thing that's holding me back is the old classic 'wait for a better spot'. I'm a great situation here with this whale is on my right who probably will give me his money in an easier spot in the near future.

Would this affect anyone elses thinking?
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10-29-2010 , 06:58 AM
u'z gutz nuts, 3bet pre.
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10-29-2010 , 07:02 AM
shove pre and watch him call with KTo
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10-29-2010 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dumuzi
shove pre and watch him call with KTo
and flip for stacks? why?
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10-29-2010 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hijinx
Only thing that's holding me back is the old classic 'wait for a better spot'. I'm a great situation here with this whale is on my right who probably will give me his money in an easier spot in the near future.

Would this affect anyone elses thinking?
No, I wan't to make the most +ev play now, and why give the other players at the table a chance to stack him, or give him a chance to leave if you have a decent spot now?
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10-29-2010 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hijinx
and flip for stacks? why?
He calls with KTo, likely to also call A3s etc. However I think vs this guy we can see a flop and then decide whether to stack off which is far more proffitable imo.
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10-29-2010 , 07:33 AM
i shove pre just cause its fun
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10-29-2010 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by statue26
No, I wan't to make the most +ev play now, and why give the other players at the table a chance to stack him, or give him a chance to leave if you have a decent spot now?
Ok, i hear you. Should've mentioned that he has in fact spewed off around 250bb already and keeps re-buying to full stack, so it's like the perfect situation heh.

I can see why this is a shove otf, but i think it's close.
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10-29-2010 , 08:02 AM
Definitely ship pre-flop. Remember he snap called you with worse than Ace high for 160BB. I don't agree with the limited ranges people are quoting. eg.you get called only in a race situation. No way. This guy is drunk, he raises with 53 and thinks if I bust this guy with 53 it's gonna be so cool... He is not trying to play good poker. KTo is at the top of his range (again this is about as good as he could have had when he called in the 160BB pot)
Further, he may play better post-flop - he may actually fold with nothing or call with plenty of hands that beat you = I reckon even a drunk player will play better post-flop. Plus he may make massive post-flop bluffs you don't feel you can call.
Finally, say you lose an all-in. Having a total utter drunken fish on your table with loads of chips is good. Just keep rolling the big pots with the best of it.
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10-29-2010 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hijinx
Boss Media does not show mucked hands, even to pokertracker
What??? I'll never play there then ffs. Given your read ez shove pre imo.

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Originally Posted by hijinx
and flip for stacks? why?
gambling with a fish before he goes broke to others is perfectly fine
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10-29-2010 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by newbi98
Definitely ship pre-flop. Remember he snap called you with worse than Ace high for 160BB. I don't agree with the limited ranges people are quoting. eg.you get called only in a race situation. No way. This guy is drunk, he raises with 53 and thinks if I bust this guy with 53 it's gonna be so cool... He is not trying to play good poker. KTo is at the top of his range (again this is about as good as he could have had when he called in the 160BB pot)
Further, he may play better post-flop - he may actually fold with nothing or call with plenty of hands that beat you = I reckon even a drunk player will play better post-flop. Plus he may make massive post-flop bluffs you don't feel you can call.
Finally, say you lose an all-in. Having a total utter drunken fish on your table with loads of chips is good. Just keep rolling the big pots with the best of it.
Nice post, ty

Only correction is he didn't call off 160bb in the AQo hand, he only put in around 80bb as that was his stack at the time.

Pretty much agree with the rest though
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10-29-2010 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by deathdan
What??? I'll never play there then ffs.
lots of euro fish and very good affiliate rakeback
but yeah it is really annoying. it won't even flip the cards for an all in preflop until showdown

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gambling with a fish before he goes broke to others is perfectly fine
yep kinda seeing the strength of that argument now.
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