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Old 05-08-2009, 08:10 PM   #676
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saying that he's going to be openshoving every flop implies that he's bad.

Idk if theres any reason to discuss it anymore bc its very easy to tweak the reads after the fact to make your play look better. I'm not saying thats what Spamzor is doing, just that you have to be VERY confident of that read (and be able to remove the top hands in his range) in order to get the money in with more than 45% equity on most boards that don't give you a pair/FD.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:13 PM   #677
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well, you said you have no way of explaining it, and i feel like i did a pretty good job.

I mean, i pokerstoved lots of flops that miss you, and the best you're getting in against a completely random hand is ~45%.

I'm going out for the night so feel free to make a real argument and i'll respond later/tomorrow.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:34 PM   #678
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exactly why I dont read much HHs on here or anyones analysis of them. Because it is almost never even close to the same as it is in the 30s it took for the hand to go down. Anyone can think of great justifications for their plays if they think about a hand for 25min after. ( non saying this is what spamm is doing i didnt even read all of it just speaking generally)
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exactly why I dont read much HHs on here or anyones analysis of them. Because it is almost never even close to the same as it is in the 30s it took for the hand to go down. Anyone can think of great justifications for their plays if they think about a hand for 25min after. ( non saying this is what spamm is doing i didnt even read all of it just speaking generally)
That's not relevant. Making the proper analysis slowly, by thinking about it later, is a good way to engrain that play or idea in your head, so that you can effectively implement it later.
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That's not relevant. Making the proper analysis slowly, by thinking about it later, is a good way to engrain that play or idea in your head, so that you can effectively implement it later.
This is probably the best advice anyone could ever receive for poker... very well put.

I tell all my students to spend at least an hour or two 1-tabling every week and thinking about EVERY decision. Seems people's brains turn off when they've decided they're folding. There's often lots of information given out for free when a villain bets or checks in a certain spot etc.
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:44 PM   #681
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the hand with spamz, no way are we folding QT2,K95,J72 etc... only flops we hate and are folding to are 9TJ,9JK,9TQ etc etc etc, shoving pre is always going to be plus ev due to spamz reads but what gains you the most EV is what matters, if villian was going to 3bet call it off then yeah shipping pre and it shouldnt be close really. but if villian here is going to be shipping every flop when we flat and folding to a shove pre then i prefer spamz line here by a fair bit
pretty much this

You're probably not taking into account the fact that when i DO flop a pair, or a flush, or a flushdraw, or two pair, or trips, or the board comes paired like 522, or... and he openshoves, i will be very likely a 75% favorite or maybe even more when the money goes in. Idk exactly how much of the time this will happen tbh it's just too wide to do the math for this imo and don't feel like doing it if it's just to convince one guy while a lot of other players agree with me.

He's going to openshove a lot of boards imo, still convinced of that. He's also going to bet/fold at least some boards which makes it even more ev+ to not shove preflop. He's not going to check/fold a board like AKQr imo because he knows there's no way he can win the pot by checking his undercards + "maybe" gutter.

Also, this guy was pretty transparent in his bets. If he had flopped a monster (trips/straight/flush/two pair) I think there's a <10% chance he would be openshoving them depending on how vulnerable his hand is at that point. So in cases like this, I could still get away from the hand (he would probably bet something small while he would either openshove with total air or like bet/fold for 2/3 pot).

And yeah, ~9k games in less than a year is obv heater with one noticable downswing in it.
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And yeah, ~9k games in less than a year is obv heater with one noticable downswing in it.
i knew you were going to take my comment like that, and its not at all how i meant it. What i meant was that when you are running hot, everything seems to come very clearly to you, and you're not sure why you "know" its right. You "know" that he's 3betting light even tho a portion of his range is obviously value hands.

Things make a ton of sense in your head when things are going well and sometimes it benefits you to think about other lines even when yours clearly worked this time.

I'll go over the rest of the post later.
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Old 05-08-2009, 11:35 PM   #683
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This is probably the best advice anyone could ever receive for poker... very well put.

I tell all my students to spend at least an hour or two 1-tabling every week and thinking about EVERY decision. Seems people's brains turn off when they've decided they're folding. There's often lots of information given out for free when a villain bets or checks in a certain spot etc.
wow ur switched on lul
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I think in the interest of fairness you should ban Radeh for spamming for The Swiss.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:17 AM   #686
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she looks... weird and disproportianol =/
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:21 AM   #687
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Those deformations are called "boobs" and "ass" spam, just fyi.

(I do believe they photoshopped her face though...)

Looks a bit like one of those real life sex dolls:

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Only read some of the last few posts and I'm out after this one for the night, but Paster and Spamz, lighten up a bit in exchanges! You're both legit good and cool dudes, treat each other with a little more respect, though I'm sure most of the negativity is due to passion.
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Old 05-09-2009, 01:19 AM   #690
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Old 05-09-2009, 02:04 AM   #691
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not gonna bother stoving it, but once u flat 3 bet pot is 480 and he has 825 behind. if he would fold 78 i would imagine thats better than you both getting it in on 100% of flops. not sure about a hand like q4
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What's the traffic like on sites outside of the big two? I'm UK based and can play anytime but can't find any figures for HUSNG like I can for cash games.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:17 AM   #694
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exactly why I dont read much HHs on here or anyones analysis of them. Because it is almost never even close to the same as it is in the 30s it took for the hand to go down. Anyone can think of great justifications for their plays if they think about a hand for 25min after. ( non saying this is what spamm is doing i didnt even read all of it just speaking generally)
yeah, you are wrong imo...

guys like me, rypac, primordial, etc all make videos and add commentary while we play and I would say that >95% of hands we play we would play the exact same if given 25 minutes to make a decision

sure, a lot of posters on here wouldn't have made the same play in the heat of the moment as they are suggesting in the strat thread, but that doesn't mean its not worth reviewing what the correct play should be

i'm rambling, but basically ive reached a point where i am "fluent" in husng poker. i got to this point by reviewing thousands of hh's and discussing strategy with other players.
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i wonder if its possible for me not to blow up big vs a shortstacker like once a week.
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bahahaha, last 2 games I have run like god for the first time in an age......... love it DDDDDDD
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all the rematch button has done for me so far is life tilted me
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all the rematch button has done for me so far is life tilted me
fish takin your rollz?
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fish takin your rollz?
fish running like jesus christ for 3-4 straight games, snap-accepting rematches, i finally get a win and they snap-decline

i know this is standard but it tilts me so much i think i might just not use the rematch button
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fish running like jesus christ for 3-4 straight games, snap-accepting rematches, i finally get a win and they snap-decline

i know this is standard but it tilts me so much i think i might just not use the rematch button

happened to me yesterday, gave this fish loads of games and he took 5 buyins off me, luckily he rematched me until I was 2 buys up... its funny how they are "i won, i iz the best player, rematch gogogogo"
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