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07-20-2009 , 01:05 AM

ZooBox

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 89

Villian is 20/12/inf w/0.0 3bet% after 25 hands, no checkraise seen yet

I'm 20/18/6.0 w/10% 3bet

I didn't 3bet because PFR had 19/12 stats with 80% fold to 3bet after 400 hands, so there was little value in 3betting with jacks

I bet flop when it checks to me to protect against FDs and SDs. When sb CRs me I was

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $50.00
MP: $54.80
Hero (CO): $50.75
BTN: $41.75
SB: $91.70
BB: $104.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J

UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.50) 8

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $12, Hero ?

Fold? Call and reevaluate on turn? 3bet get it in???

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07-20-2009 , 02:29 AM

socalsucka

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 336

I would call and reevaluate the turn. He could be doing this with a lot of combo draws and stuff like a flush draw, an 8 with a bd flush, 9T, etc. all stuff you are ahead of atm.

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07-20-2009 , 02:35 AM

gateswi

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I doubt SB is checking a wet flop multi-way with QQ+, so unless he knows you are really stabby on paired boards I don't expect to see bigger overpairs here that often. There are hardly any 7x in his range either, so I'd actually expect to see hands like AJcc, AQcc, AKcc, KQcc that were looking to get a free card or c/r the flop to pick up a stabbing bet and with good FE, and if checked behind have goten a free card on the turn.

We do have position so peeling a turn might be our best and against his range, we get to see what the turn is and his reaction to it. For example if he checks he probably is drawing and we cna make an appropriate value bet.

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07-20-2009 , 03:06 AM

ZooBox

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If I flat his checkraise and turn blanks, and he shoves, am I calling? Btw what exactly is a blank turn here? Seems like there could be a good 30 cards I don't want to see.

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07-20-2009 , 05:05 AM

DXX

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 237

There aren't many turn cards you can feel good about here. A seven is definitely not out of the question here, and is probably the most likely holding, followed by strong draws which you aren't a big favorite over anyway. If it was heads up I'd probably call and fold to flush or OESD making cards, but 3-way is a different story.

And why would he have overcard clubs here? Are there really that many people who rate bd flush draws that highly

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07-20-2009 , 05:06 AM

Jub.

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,902

I call and reevaluate to. Given the fact your in position there are too many situations that Ill wait till you post turn to say what I do

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07-20-2009 , 05:52 AM

danielk3066

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 286

umm tough spot im not sure why sb is check raising i would guess here he has a 7 if not then a draw , j-j is tough here cus if u call to see the turn j-j has lil chance of improving so i guess i would call , if he bets into us on the turn id fold it, if he checks id prop just make a weak play and check behind , try and get to showdown cheap
for the guy that said he had a-k a-q , why would he be check raising the pre flop raiser with those hands????

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07-20-2009 , 06:18 AM

Vision of Shiva

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 617

we are flipping at best.

vs. an unknown i would fold flop, but thats just me, i am a nit in such situations.

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07-20-2009 , 09:21 AM

BuniAyu

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I call and re-evaluate turn
I put most of his range on flush draw + 2 overs, 99-TT and A7s
if he checked the turn on non heart flush I shove
if he bet on non flush depending on what I feel hes likely tendencies I might still shove
flush I shut down

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