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Made top 2, facing a bet OTR after turn raise Made top 2, facing a bet OTR after turn raise

05-29-2017 , 05:36 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 132.4 BB
CO: 105.6 BB (VPIP: 22.75, PFR: 13.74, 3Bet Preflop: 8.24, Hands: 221)
BTN: 136.8 BB (VPIP: 27.96, PFR: 16.45, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 318)
SB: 68.2 BB (VPIP: 45.38, PFR: 23.66, 3Bet Preflop: 12.06, Hands: 509)
BB: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 21.09, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 137)
UTG: 61.6 BB (VPIP: 22.98, PFR: 11.26, 3Bet Preflop: 2.83, Hands: 242)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 3 players) J 5 4
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 3 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 16 BB, BTN raises to 40 BB, fold, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (111 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 60 BB, fold,
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05-29-2017 , 05:47 PM
The player seemed nitty - has a 1 AF, for what that's worth. Couldn't decide how many straights and sets I'd have in my range to determine where exactly I was in my range. Obviously pretty high.
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05-29-2017 , 05:48 PM
The fact that I block A3 and that I doubt he has too many 36 combos, spades didn't come in, not sure if he bets his sets. Maybe this is a call.
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05-29-2017 , 05:57 PM
Alright so you didn't mention anything about the person who originally 3b, but based on his stats he's obviously pretty bad. If one of his leaks is stacking off light/bluffing a lot then I would at least consider raising the flop. By calling you create a situation where the BU is getting 5:1 to see a turn which is pretty sick for him if he has any equity at all.

As played I think your turn bet is necessary when checked to. Then I would c/f to BU's raise. A call from the BU pf with stats like those are going to include a decent amount of sets on that board. All of his flushes would probably just call IP especially given your line, so other than sets I can't think of anything villain has. All overpairs would have 3b pf and beat you anyway on the turn and on the flop would just check back. He's never bluffing here with the original 3better still in the pot so ya, as played it's a fold on the river in my opinion.
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05-29-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Willco
Alright so you didn't mention anything about the person who originally 3b, but based on his stats he's obviously pretty bad. If one of his leaks is stacking off light/bluffing a lot then I would at least consider raising the flop. By calling you create a situation where the BU is getting 5:1 to see a turn which is pretty sick for him if he has any equity at all.

As played I think your turn bet is necessary when checked to. Then I would c/f to BU's raise. A call from the BU pf with stats like those are going to include a decent amount of sets on that board. All of his flushes would probably just call IP especially given your line, so other than sets I can't think of anything villain has. All overpairs would have 3b pf and beat you anyway on the turn and on the flop would just check back. He's never bluffing here with the original 3better still in the pot so ya, as played it's a fold on the river in my opinion.
Agreed on potentially raising the flop

especially w/ specific stack sizes
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05-29-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Willco

As played I think your turn bet is necessary when checked to. Then I would c/f to BU's raise. fold on the river in my opinion.

I'm not folding OTT getting 2:1+ w/ TPTK, a draw to the nuts and a GS with 70bb+ behind for the river
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05-29-2017 , 06:33 PM
with top pair top kicker Raise otf(wet flop vs very small bet and at least one fish).ott call.BTN can semibluff ott imo the original 3betor is whale.. stats, 5bb 3bet and small cbet so i think his play is some sets played fishy some pairs+fd and some times top pair and fd because he cant play 3ways call on this wet flop with this small pot his sets and you are strong so you need somthink play vs his range otr and AJ is the best hand for this so I call otr and if he has set note him with this idiotic play 3ways...
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05-29-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by srmjr23
I'm not folding OTT getting 2:1+ w/ TPTK, a draw to the nuts and a GS with 70bb+ behind for the river
Ya valid point his raise is a little on the small side, I didn't notice at first. If he makes it slightly larger I think it's a fold though. You're OOP so when you call and any of your outs come you are going to have a hard time getting value. Even then with your 13 outs (9 for FD 4 for GS) that is ~26% to hit and 2:1 means you need more than 33% if I'm not mistaken. This of course isn't the case if you get more value when you hit, but like I said I don't see that happening as played.

I'm new to this so let me know if that's wrong, though.
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05-29-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Willco
Ya valid point his raise is a little on the small side, I didn't notice at first. If he makes it slightly larger I think it's a fold though. You're OOP so when you call and any of your outs come you are going to have a hard time getting value. Even then with your 13 outs (9 for FD 4 for GS) that is ~26% to hit and 2:1 means you need more than 33% if I'm not mistaken. This of course isn't the case if you get more value when you hit, but like I said I don't see that happening as played.

I'm new to this so let me know if that's wrong, though.

No, you're right. I'm not getting direct odds for my draws if I'm getting 2:1. I misstated my equity.

Last edited by srmjr23; 05-29-2017 at 07:14 PM.
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05-29-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Willco
Ya valid point his raise is a little on the small side, I didn't notice at first. If he makes it slightly larger I think it's a fold though. You're OOP so when you call and any of your outs come you are going to have a hard time getting value. Even then with your 13 outs (9 for FD 4 for GS) that is ~26% to hit and 2:1 means you need more than 33% if I'm not mistaken. This of course isn't the case if you get more value when you hit, but like I said I don't see that happening as played.

I'm new to this so let me know if that's wrong, though.
You're wrong! Calling 24 to win 87, getting 3.5:1... only need about 21% equity.
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05-29-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Harry155
You're wrong! Calling 24 to win 87, getting 3.5:1... only need about 21% equity.
Good call boss. Thanks for correcting me.
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05-30-2017 , 07:34 AM
Being OOP and with draws on the board, would you not be 3b jamming the turn with all sets and straights, making this the very top of your range?

Seems like we have to call river to me :/
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05-30-2017 , 01:36 PM
insta 4bet pre
i rather x/calling turn
good fold otr

glgl
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