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01-15-2010 , 06:28 PM
I have pocket 10's in the small blind. Close to $300 in front of me, I have the others in the hand covered. They each have approx. $200.

There is one early position limper, who has been seeing a lot of flops. Seat 6 raises to $15 - I've played with him before, and he is a good player who can be tricky. The raise amount is standard at our table. Button Calls - he's loose and has been playing a lot of hands.

I call. Is this a good call?

The limper calls. Flop is 2, 3, 5

I check, the limper checks, raiser checks (this almost certainly means that he started with either a big A and has missed, a small pair that missed making a set, or he was trying to steal the pot with the original raise and now doesn't want to bluff into 3 callers.) The button bets $60. About a pot sized bet.

I think about this, and know that the limper has nothing, and the raiser also has nothing. Question is, what does the button have? Unlikely that he has a pocket pair bigger than mine, because he might well have re-raised preflop. He could have hit a set, or a straight. He could also be on a draw (probably for diamonds) - maybe even a big draw of both straight and flush. He could also quite easily have a pocket pair of 6s, 7s, 8s, or 9s.

He has another $140 in front of him. Should I shove, to isolate and perhaps get him to fold? Or, should I call (although I can't see how this is correct, because all the money is going in later anyway at that point)? Or should I fold?

Thanks.

As an aside - how do I get PokerStove to figure in flush draws? I know how to get it to calculate using suited cards, but not how to specify the suit. Clearly in this case, I want to include any hand with diamonds - but not any other suited cards.

Thanks.

Lee
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01-15-2010 , 06:59 PM
In poker stove click player X, then click pre flop. Click on say KQs then look to the right of the bottom half of the range box there will be a box showing suits. To take out clubs click on the clubs, then clubs will no longer be included in the range, and so on.

As for the hand you clearly can't fold pre so the call is fine. A 3 bet could be an option but I would probobly call. On the flop the stack to pot ratio is about 3 and you have an over pair so getting allin should be fine here.

Last edited by andyg2001; 01-15-2010 at 07:09 PM.
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01-15-2010 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovesantiques
I have pocket 10's in the small blind. Close to $300 in front of me, I have the others in the hand covered. They each have approx. $200.

There is one early position limper, who has been seeing a lot of flops. Seat 6 raises to $15 - I've played with him before, and he is a good player who can be tricky. The raise amount is standard at our table. Button Calls - he's loose and has been playing a lot of hands.

I call. Is this a good call?

The limper calls. Flop is 2, 3, 5

I check, the limper checks, raiser checks (this almost certainly means that he started with either a big A and has missed, a small pair that missed making a set, or he was trying to steal the pot with the original raise and now doesn't want to bluff into 3 callers.) The button bets $60. About a pot sized bet.

I think about this, and know that the limper has nothing, and the raiser also has nothing. Question is, what does the button have? Unlikely that he has a pocket pair bigger than mine, because he might well have re-raised preflop. He could have hit a set, or a straight. He could also be on a draw (probably for diamonds) - maybe even a big draw of both straight and flush. He could also quite easily have a pocket pair of 6s, 7s, 8s, or 9s.

He has another $140 in front of him. Should I shove, to isolate and perhaps get him to fold? Or, should I call (although I can't see how this is correct, because all the money is going in later anyway at that point)? Or should I fold?

Thanks.

As an aside - how do I get PokerStove to figure in flush draws? I know how to get it to calculate using suited cards, but not how to specify the suit. Clearly in this case, I want to include any hand with diamonds - but not any other suited cards.

Thanks.

Lee
To answer the last question, first: There's a box at the bottom of the right hand corner. Just click off the suits you don't want it to consider.

I agree it is a shove or fold situation. At these stakes, few player bet their draws into a bunch of players. I'd let it go. TBH, I probably raise pf in your situation.
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01-15-2010 , 07:41 PM
He's probably just trying to steal with position here, thinking no one has a decent made hand, and he doesn't want to people to cont with a weak pair/FD.

I'd raise here to take it down to protect against overcards.
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01-15-2010 , 08:28 PM
I'd raise PF.

As played, I would move all in here.
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01-16-2010 , 12:08 PM
Thanks for the advice.

Lee
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01-16-2010 , 01:53 PM
grunge. I think I would squeeze here to $60 and fold to a 4 bet. I think a lot of the time, you will be up against the loose player on the button, which I think is a good result.

I am crai here. You hand is very under represented, and looks a lot like a set or combo draw. I think the button calls with all his over pairs, maybe even tptk hands, f/d and oesds b/c he hates money.
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01-16-2010 , 04:35 PM
Most of the time, depending on his aggression, the button's range is anywhere from air to a combo draw. Off the cuff I expect the button to show up with one pair (lower than TT) %50; combo draw 25%; Air 15%; two pair, set or straight 10% (and his pot-size bet likely downgrades these hands).

Get it in. He may call with 85% of his range and you're ahead of most of it.
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01-16-2010 , 04:47 PM
If he had more behind this is a really difficult and awkward spot. Your hand is underrepresented, but it's certainly not great. However, with the pot about the size of his stack we can ship it. He will show up with sets and straights sometimes, but mostly he'll have a smaller overpair imo. His bet looks like he's trying to protect his hand and has already decided he's going all the way. I'd expect him to show up with 66-99 or fd+overs at least ~65% of the time.
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01-16-2010 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Most of the time, depending on his aggression, the button's range is anywhere from air to a combo draw. Off the cuff I expect the button to show up with one pair (lower than TT) %50; combo draw 25%; Air 15%; two pair, set or straight 10% (and his pot-size bet likely downgrades these hands).

Get it in. He may call with 85% of his range and you're ahead of most of it.
Pretty much this.

Yeah PF from your position especially live, I prefer calling in this spot mostly looking for a set playing cautiously on boards such as this. I usually save the 3-betting for when I have position.
However, your description of button gives him a very wide range of hands.
22-99, A4o-A5o, A4s-AQs(not sure how aggro he is pf) diamonds, 54, 56, and most other suited diamond combos.

I think the above stated percentages are fairly good. And I agree he calls with most of this given his bet plus if he's bad. It's close to a coinflip but I think you make a little money shoving in this spot. Probably around 55-45.
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