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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BTN ($10.19) [VPIP: 22.7% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 30.1% | Flop Agg: 29.7% | Turn Agg: 33.5% | River Agg: 25.4% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | 4-Bet: 13.9% | Hands: 4074]
SB ($52.30) [VPIP: 11.5% | PFR: 4.6% | AGG: 26% | Flop Agg: 39.2% | Turn Agg: 11.1% | River Agg: 11.1% | 3-Bet: 5.4% | 4-Bet: 25% | Hands: 583]
HERO ($12.61) [VPIP: 24.9% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 34.1% | Flop Agg: 40.1% | Turn Agg: 27.5% | River Agg: 30.5% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 53.7% | 4-Bet: 16.4% | Hands: 214549]
UTG ($19.42) [VPIP: 32% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 60% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 25]
HJ ($12.71) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 35% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 38.1% | River Agg: 15.5% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | 4-Bet: 27.5% | Hands: 1683]
CO ($12.35) [VPIP: 13.2% | PFR: 9.3% | AGG: 29.6% | Flop Agg: 26.5% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 31.3% | 3-Bet: 1.7% | 4-Bet: 37.5% | Hands: 389]

Dealt to Hero: J J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.30, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $1.30, BTN Calls $1

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.35 effective]
Flop ($2.65): 5 2 4
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.83 (Rem. Stack: 8.06), HERO Calls $0.83 (Rem. Stack: 10.48)

Turn ($4.31): 5 2 4 6
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $1.40 (Rem. Stack: 6.66), HERO Calls $1.40 (Rem. Stack: 9.08)

River ($7.11): 5 2 4 6 Q
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $6.66 (allin), HERO ?

dude you have the thing with a heart

Theoretically I'm sure you snap, might find a fold because I reckon people love betting A with those sizings

Dude could still have whatever tho so I could go either way

Theoretically I'm sure this is a snap, in practice more like a crying call.
Cannot fold either way unless I know villain is super straightforward value oriented incapable of bluffing (it doesn't appears so from his stats/reggish sizings though).

off topic: what should be the optimal fold to 3bet/4bet/fold to 4bet stats (mdf) ??

dink dink 1/3 and shove river - he mostly has it

I was expecting DDP to take the betting lead with the same line saying we have a block - strange!

theory call - practical fold

This is a perfect spot to roll for whether or not you call based on MDF if you don't want to go wrong (or blame yourself for a "bad" call).

When ip bets flop and turn, he's fairly strong but has some obvious bluffs. On the river however the only bluffs he can have are random spazz. Ax doesn't even have a straight draw ott. In theory it seems like he can have anything otr but in practice people just check either flop or turn or both with non heart air hands a ridiculous portion of the time. Sometimes aggrofish/regs will have bluffs otr but I believe if you post the same hand in this forum except from villians pov with AJcc most everybody will say check turn or flop.

we have a flush, so i would elect to call.

If the river was like a 9 would you fold? Or does it not matter.

Hi guys,

I think this isnt's a spot where the players at this level are bluffing. Apparently the guy is regular and after this type of play, we could easily have Kh or Ah and he know it. From my experience he has surely Ah or Kh here.

My type of play would be bet 1/3 OTF and bet 50-55% OTT.

dont think it is a snap in theory

why not? we have the third nutflush and villain didn't put a lot of money in the pot

villain is all in on the river ?! or what do you mean with not a lot of money?

Flop and turn seems standard for oop to mostly XC and IP do lots of small betting.
On the River we are bluff catching so it is not only about hand strength...also about blockers. We will have plenty of AhX and KhX combos. also a hand like 98hh makes a better bluff catcher blocking more flushes... AXJh makes a better bluffcatcher than this particular 3rd nut flush unblocking more bluffs etc... not saying it is a fold in theory. dunno. but dont think it is a snapp call in theory.

yeah sorry I mean 1/3 otf and 1/3 ott; it shouldn't tighten our range all that much so Jh is too high in our range imo

Can you elaborate on this?

I would probably fold, these spots are just so underbluffed. I can't imagine humans have bluffs on this river very often: most people's flop/turn betting ranges are hands with a heart.

I bet solver mixes river

https://imgur.com/a/FxdWbeU

This is a sim with snowie ranges. Starting SPR was 4.5 instead of 3.3, so river is a 1.25x overbet.

Solver mixes all JhJx combos. Actually pure folds all KhKx combos. Calls KhQx, some AxJh, most AxKh. Mostly folds ThTx-7h7x, but mostly calls 6x6h. Also calls Th9h, JhTh, etc.

Thinks BU should bluff with stuff KTs-K7s, and some J8s/AJo. I imagine it pure folds KhKx because it blocks solver's bluffs (though these precise bluff combos are probably just a quirk of snowie ranges). Solver thinks BU should check KhQx OTR (but bet KhJh)

i can try to elaborate. part of Villains River Valuebet Range are Flopped Nutflushes. 98hh blocks A8hh and A9hh . JxJh only blocks AJhh. But we are even less interested (nitpicking now) in blocking AJhh because AJhh should be checking back Flop more often than A9hh or A8hh. So Villain should be getting to the river with a bet bet bet line with more combos of A9hh than AJhh.

i think DDP BB 3b range is quite different to Snowies.

i think mixing river and using a rng like Worldz said is fine. I would not be surprised to see some Villains bluff that river quite alot because i would think population does not doe much XC, XC with Ah type hands. They probably mostly bet or x/r either Flop or Turn.

EDIT:
I would imagine we Fold KhKx because there is no AKhh in villains range and we are basically not blocking any value hand

This is a good point. I haven't been playing much online micro hold em recently in lieu of some private omaha stuff, so I don't have much of a handle on what population does anymore (not that I did anyway, because I played on Ignition before, which is a lot softer than stars/wpn)

And yeah I'm sure monker ranges are different than snowie stuff here, but I think the broad strokes (this is a break-even bluffcatcher at best) are applicable

yeah pretty much... snowies range is less polar because it uses a smaller sizing

so we had to fold 70% of our range on the river because villain doesn't have many bluffs when the heart gets there?