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01-27-2020 , 03:23 PM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
BTN ($11.22) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 26.1% | 3-Bet: 6.2% | Hands: 326]
SB ($24.55) [VPIP: 25.2% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 39% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | Hands: 117]
BB ($9.18) [VPIP: 20.5% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 11.1% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | Hands: 39]
UTG ($10.00) [VPIP: 28.5% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 48.9% | 3-Bet: 13% | Hands: 140]
HJ ($8.52) [VPIP: 31% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 40% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 30]
HERO ($10.84) [VPIP: 25.3% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 33.8% | 3-Bet: 11% | Hands: 190783]

Dealt to Hero: A

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.35, HERO Raises To $0.98, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $0.63

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.57 effective]
Flop ($2.11): 9

HJ Checks, HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 8.81), HJ Calls $1.05 (Rem. Stack: 6.49)

Turn ($4.21): 9

HJ Checks, HERO Bets $8.81 (allin)

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01-27-2020 , 06:03 PM

andreicos

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Ott I'd bet small ~1/4 pot

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01-27-2020 , 06:14 PM

291

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I don't understand this line at all which probably makes it solver approved so...

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01-27-2020 , 06:32 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by andreicos

Ott I'd bet small ~1/4 pot

Yeah but then all FD's have odds to call. I'm not saying my line is correct just wondering the logic behind a small bet OTT.

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01-27-2020 , 06:33 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by 291

I don't understand this line at all which probably makes it solver approved so...

well I think villain will xr a lot of his 9x OTF. The turn also makes A9s impossible.

Not sure about the turn though. I don't understand the logic of a small bet and the SPR is 1.5 effective so I thought shipping would be okay.

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01-27-2020 , 06:43 PM

291

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Ahhh my mistake, did not see the SPR with the shortstack. With this in mind I think the hand is 10/10.

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01-27-2020 , 06:51 PM

Iblis

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It looks ok, not super sure about 1/2 pot on the flop.
But it wouldn't change much to go a little bigger or a little smaller I guess.

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01-27-2020 , 07:02 PM

andreicos

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I think most of his fds have an easy decision when you shove anyways: fold.

With a small bet you're putting his weaker pps in a tough spot. Also ime solving spots, getting the money in over all three 3 streeta is usually preferred

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01-27-2020 , 07:09 PM

Iblis

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Originally Posted by andreicos

I think most of his fds have an easy decision when you shove anyways: fold.

I doubt it, especially A

and K

ones... broken stack dude could actually just end up calling with all of them beacuse why not.
He could also bluffcatch with some TT-QQ stuff to be honest; I don't think our shove will generate such a huge fold equity.

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01-27-2020 , 07:11 PM

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291

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Originally Posted by Iblis

I doubt it, especially A

and K

ones.
But broken stack dude could just end up calling with all of them beacuse why not.

^

Normal play kinda goes out the window versus broken stack imo

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01-27-2020 , 09:05 PM

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avro_504

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Flop seems fine.

I’m not sure about the turn though, what are we getting value from?

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01-27-2020 , 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by avro_504

Flop seems fine.

I’m not sure about the turn though, what are we getting value from?

All his bluff catchers and Axhh.

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01-27-2020 , 10:53 PM

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ionutd

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I don't like it
don't understand why we bet flop so big
not only do we not need to shove turn but this is the weakest Ax apart from A5s
even if the guy is super whale boy and pays off a lot more than your average opp, who's to say he doesn't call down in the same manner if we go 3 streets? if you're thinking you need value now from his fds AND he calls a turn shove with the higher ones and like TT+, then ya mby but still seems unnecessary to me

with these eff stacks, if you go 25% flop, 50% turn, you got ~80% river
or go 33% turn ap and you'l have ~66% river
even 50% turn leaves you with 50% otr and you got some room to maneuver

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01-28-2020 , 12:07 AM

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D-Beat

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I don't understand any of the plays--preflop too small, flop too big, jam looks like we have exactly what we have.

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01-28-2020 , 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Beat

I don't understand any of the plays--preflop too small, flop too big, jam looks like we have exactly what we have.

HJ is a shortstack - this hand is wp

vs regs
pre: I just click pot button to 12x
I know you have a theory that IP should 3bet less - so I wont go there

flop: I usually check but it is much better to bet 1/2 than 1/3 or 1/4

turn: This is a spot I bet 1/2 pot

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01-28-2020 , 02:06 AM

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D-Beat

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**** me. Just noticed Villain's stack.

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01-28-2020 , 02:23 AM

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whitemares

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The problem I see with it is that villain rarely has worse Ax (and could have plenty AK/AQ), and even fish are capable of folding 55-JJ to an overbet jam (and even some FDs too)

I don’t think worrying about the price you’re giving his FDs is that important when it’s only a small % of his range, but even so you should be able to structure your bet sizings in a way where you can “properly charge” a draw ott

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01-28-2020 , 04:32 AM

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WorldzMine

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This is fine. But...

$1.05 for the true 3x pre. ~40 on the flop. Then size the turn such that you set up a river shove.

... is better imo.

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01-28-2020 , 05:13 AM

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Zuko

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Originally Posted by 291

I don't understand this line at all which probably makes it solver approved so...

neh... solver will want to bet really small ott

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01-28-2020 , 06:03 AM

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avro_504

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

All his bluff catchers and Axhh.

That being the case, shouldn’t we bet smaller to get calls from his bluff catchers rather than jamming?

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01-28-2020 , 08:58 AM

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Ojune

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Don't jam with middle str hands

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01-28-2020 , 11:26 AM

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simplelessons

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Yeah but then all FD's have odds to call. I'm not saying my line is correct just wondering the logic behind a small bet OTT.

That's fine. We just check back when the flush hits and villain wins no more money while at the same time we extract a little more value.

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01-28-2020 , 12:30 PM

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Ojune

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Originally Posted by Ojune

Don't jam with middle str hands

Don't jam with anything actually, splitting your range is totally unnecessary

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