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07-24-2009 , 03:56 PM

squizzel

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I get berated for stacking off here. Seems standard to me, most people are aware i tilt easily so maybe hes trying to tilt me. Villan is 20/15. Villan has 3bet flop % of 18% over 33 samples.

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $400.00
SB: $400.00
BB: $448.30
UTG: $434.00
Hero (CO): $483.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is CO with A

UTG raises to $12, Hero calls $12, BTN calls $12, 1 fold, BB calls $8

Flop: ($50.00) Q

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $32, BTN raises to $102, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $471 all in

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07-24-2009 , 03:58 PM

$upermad4it

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nobody folds this

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07-24-2009 , 03:59 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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Originally Posted by squizzel

Villan has 3bet flop % of 18% over 33 samples.

How is this relevant at all? But yeah, most standard stack off ever.

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07-24-2009 , 04:03 PM

ShipItHertoDub

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He actually berated u in the chatbox for this...**** motherfker...

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07-24-2009 , 04:04 PM

ddubois

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbucks

How is this relevant at all? But yeah, most standard stack off ever.

If you have a statistic that indicates he raises flops lightly, how could that possibly not be relevant?

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07-24-2009 , 04:05 PM

dmkai3

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std obv

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07-24-2009 , 04:13 PM

Mench

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yeah this is all u can do so good job OP, well played.

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07-24-2009 , 04:25 PM

F_Ivanovic

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Is it really that standard? I mean it's a 4way pot so despite his high raise %, he's prob not f-in around here or raising light for value.

Dunno if anyone wants to do a stove but I'd say his range is prob something like 8dxd, JdTd + NFDs, 88, 22 and the occasionally AA/KK (but obv only if blinds are known for squeezing)

At a guess it's probably just about OK to stack off here as we have an ace (and crucially not the Ad) - minimising his outs for the NFD.

obv if it was 2 handed tho, super super std

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07-24-2009 , 04:35 PM

pFEy

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When a tight BTN raises ur cbet here w/ 2 players lta ur at best vs JT/J9/T9 of diamonds.

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07-24-2009 , 04:38 PM

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Snamuh

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Originally Posted by ddubois

If you have a statistic that indicates he raises flops lightly, how could that possibly not be relevant?

Raise flop =/= 3bet flop

But I understand the point you are trying to make.

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07-24-2009 , 04:41 PM

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Snamuh

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Originally Posted by pFEy

When a tight BTN raises ur cbet here w/ 2 players lta ur at best vs JT/J9/T9 of diamonds.

Naked NFD is your likely best case scenario. Something like AdTd/AdJd.

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07-24-2009 , 04:42 PM

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squizzel

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maybe i play to thin, but when im in his spot i pretty much raise KQ for value and get it in.

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07-24-2009 , 04:48 PM

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SharkSandwich

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Is it really that standard?

I mean if you don't want to stack off here what do you want to do? The only better hands he's repping is 88 or 22. There's like no two pair combos. No higher PP's. No higher kickered top pair.

We aren't the PFR, so he can raise us figuring we're just trying to buy the pot.

And there's a world of draws here we're favourite against. And if he ever does something like raise the flop with KQ (not to fold) we're minting by getting it in.

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07-24-2009 , 04:49 PM

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SharkSandwich

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Originally Posted by squizzel

maybe i play to thin, but when im in his spot i pretty much raise KQ for value and get it in.

Button raising KQ and getting it in is getting a little thin though. How owned are you against a value range given you're dead to AQ (splitting with KQ)?

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07-24-2009 , 04:57 PM

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Peligro!

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I think raising KQ here as button is waaay too thin. You played the hand fine but it really is a VERY thin stack off 4 ways to the flop.

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07-24-2009 , 05:02 PM

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squizzel

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in these spots, if we fold here. Were basically folding to a raise whenever we dont have a set. Which is extremtly exploitable?

Does villan have any bluffs in his range, perhaps a8o or 9To?

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07-24-2009 , 05:34 PM

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Snamuh

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Originally Posted by squizzel

in these spots, if we fold here. Were basically folding to a raise whenever we dont have a set. Which is extremtly exploitable?

Does villan have any bluffs in his range, perhaps a8o or 9To?

The thing is...people aren't exploiting you in these spots much at 2/4. Especially not when they're raising that size. And if you think they are capable of exploiting you in these spots, then give more reads and information than just stats.

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07-24-2009 , 05:35 PM

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Snamuh

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And no, when he raises that big, there's probably no bluffs in his range. If he made it like 82-85, then there might be.

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07-24-2009 , 05:49 PM

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Fayth

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Originally Posted by squizzel

in these spots, if we fold here. Were basically folding to a raise whenever we dont have a set. Which is extremtly exploitable?

Does villan have any bluffs in his range, perhaps a8o or 9To?

whenever we dont have a set?

what about 2 pairs?

either way, you have to keep in mind villain dont see ur cards when u fold, so who cares -.-

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07-24-2009 , 07:34 PM

#20

Peligro!

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Obviously we don't ever have 2 pairs here. We could bet/shove JTs and 9Ts and maybe AJs here as well. And if you think about our betting range WE have a lot of sets in it, so it's not nearly as exploitable as you think.

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07-24-2009 , 08:03 PM

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Dustangel

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Villain in this hand is me, if it is relevant. As for berating, all I did was typing 'n00b' in the chatbox after OP started complaining for further entertainment value, I find him and reefy most amusing when they start bringing it on.

Last edited by Dustangel; 07-24-2009 at 08:08 PM.

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07-24-2009 , 08:14 PM

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grindplz

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SNAP fold

Board: Qd 8c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.057% 24.03% 00.03% 25692 30.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 75.943% 75.91% 00.03% 81168 30.00 { 88, 22, Ad8d, Q8s, JdTd, Jd9d, 9d8d, 8d7d }

I think people flat a ton of flush draws here and what not but will almost always fastplay 2 pair or sets.

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07-24-2009 , 08:23 PM

#23

terp

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but he has the image of a tilter - surely the guy is raising QJ for value?

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07-24-2009 , 08:45 PM

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SharkSandwich

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Originally Posted by grindplz

Hand 1: 75.943% 75.91% 00.03% 81168 30.00 { 88, 22, Ad8d, Q8s, JdTd, Jd9d, 9d8d, 8d7d }

You're just assigning him the nuts there though.

There's no air or Queen in that range.

It's not unreasonable Hero has air or is bet/folding that flop.

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07-24-2009 , 08:49 PM

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djj6835

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Originally Posted by SharkSandwich

You're just assigning him the nuts there though.

There's no air or Queen in that range.

It's not unreasonable Hero has air or is bet/folding that flop.

I doubt he really has queens/air in his range raising a flop in a 4 way pot.

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