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01-18-2008 , 05:06 PM
I've never been a big fan of stealing from the SB, but it seems to be an extremely common move. If I'm first in from the SB, I'm usually only raising AJs+, AQo+, and PPs unless I have stats that BB is supertight. It seems that any thinking player (I know there aren't tons of those at micro-stakes) would be willing to 3-bet pretty light from BB because of position. What is the general 2+2 consensus on raising range for FI from SB? What about re-stealing range from BB vs a SB raise? I'll usually raise a FI SB completion with ATC, but that's obv a slightly different situation too.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed)

UTG ($4.50)
MP ($7.90)
Button ($5.30)
SB ($9.80)
Hero ($9.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6.
3 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB folds.

Final Pot: $0.60
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01-18-2008 , 05:07 PM
I rasie first-in from the SB very often. I'm not stealing; I do it for value. Know whamean.
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01-18-2008 , 05:08 PM
I think it depends on the SB, but I play it a lot like I do the button, maybe a little looser.
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01-18-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
I rasie first-in from the SB very often. I'm not stealing; I do it for value. Know whamean.
You know, I used to do this a lot... but now I am trying to tighten up and pick my spots. I've found that I am losing at a higher rate from the SB than if I had just folded. That's quite possibly a leak.
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01-18-2008 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by threads13
I think it depends on the SB, but I play it a lot like I do the button, maybe a little looser.
I assume you are referring to 3-betting from BB?
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01-18-2008 , 05:46 PM
Blind vs blind is HU play.

Raise any Ace, any King, any suited queen, maybe suited jacks (JTs and maybe J9s) and any pocket pair. Complete the playable rest.
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01-18-2008 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ78
I assume you are referring to 3-betting from BB?
I was referring to your play in the BB on the hand you posted.

I guess I misunderstood your question.

I still feel that stealing first in from the SB is profitable if you pick your spots. You really want to have a tight player in the BB or otherwise you just end up playing OOP with a weak hand.
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01-18-2008 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by threads13
I was referring to your play in the BB on the hand you posted.

I guess I misunderstood your question.

I still feel that stealing first in from the SB is profitable if you pick your spots. You really want to have a tight player in the BB or otherwise you just end up playing OOP with a weak hand.
Oh, sorry. I just posted the hand as an example of why I don't like stealing from the SB...I think SB is often in a sticky situation if BB repops. Thanks for the clarification though...and I agree with it being worthwhile if you pick your spots.

Thanks,
RJ78
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01-18-2008 , 06:13 PM
BB dependent. I look at fold BB to steal stats, and fold to cbet stats. If both are above 50% then i raise ATC until they play back at me. I then make a note.

Against others, I raise any A, all pairs, ATC above 9, SC, suited 1 gappers 86s+, 87o+
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01-18-2008 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Blind vs blind is HU play.

Raise any Ace, any King, any suited queen, maybe suited jacks (JTs and maybe J9s) and any pocket pair. Complete the playable rest.
Take the Jacks out and that's pretty much what I do.
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01-18-2008 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Blind vs blind is HU play.

Raise any Ace, any King, any suited queen, maybe suited jacks (JTs and maybe J9s) and any pocket pair. Complete the playable rest.
Not quite. The SB HU has the huge advantage of having the button post-flop. On the other hand, the SB at a ring game is still first to act post-flop.

That does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't raise for value with a wide variety of hands in this situation that you'd otherwise fold with more players, but your positional disadvantage post-flop should make your raising range tighter than if you really were playing heads up where you'd have the button.
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01-19-2008 , 02:14 AM
Lately, I have been playing NL10. I was raising a wide range, but I have reduced this range somewhat. Knowing the BB's tendencies is important.
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