CO: $91.42
Hero (BTN): $76.26
SB: $121.51
BB: $48.50
UTG: $23.08
MP: $54.81

Pre-Flop: K T dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25, BB folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($8) 3 8 A (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB calls $5.50, UTG folds

Turn: ($19) J (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15

River: ($49) Q (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $53.26 and is All-In


I should have bet the flop a little more
The turn I bet again to get flushdraws to fold or whatever..
river shove ok ? I think its max EV+

I guess you say you should have bet the flop a little more in retrospect because you rivered the nuts but at the time of the flop I think the bet was ok (standard c-bet trying to represent an ace and make your opponent fold pretty much anything other than Ax or a FD)

You say the river shove maximizes your EV but I'm not so sure. What hand are you putting your opponent on? 24/20/3 is a competent aggressive player. Therefore, if he had Ax he would have reraised you to protect his hand from a potential flush draw (any heart on turn or river would put an opponent holding Ax oop in a very uncomfortable position)

Due to the above, I think he didn't have an ace. If he had a middle pair I could see him calling your c-bet and maybe even your turn bet if you have a very loose-aggressive image but he would never call your river shove.

The only thing that your opponent could hold would be a slowplayed set. However, a 24/20/3 opponent very rarely slowplays a set with that flop (he needs to protect his hand against a flush draw and he will want to get it all in if you have AK, AQ so he will raise your flop bet)

Therefore, I don't see any hands calling your shove. Did the villain actually call?

Flop bet higher because if I had a made hand on the flop, I wanted it to be protected and thats why this bet would be too small. As I want to play my made hands similar like my (semi-) bluffs I should have made it $6 or so.


I think IF he has a hand he wants to call a 3rd barrel with, then its a pretty good hand.
This means A8,AJ,AQ,88,33
Everythings else like a busted FD just plays c/f. I dont see him having AK, at least not often enough and still not sure if he would call a normal sized value bet with only TPTK

He had AQo and payed me off

your line is terrible and you are lucky you runner runner the nuts....

cbetting the flop isn't terrible, but great.

The turn bet is just a spew.

QFT.

So u guys mean the FD and my gutshot is not enough reason to second barrel here since villain showed us he has something by calling the flop 3handed ?

You ain't got FD.

no but my opponent could have which would force him to fold on the turn because he is a thinking player and sees he doesnt get the right odds

Putting $15 on turn, you make fold weaker hands, and better hands call you. What's the purpose ?

I dont have any showdown value on the turn, which is why I want to get all the unsure-but-better hands out. If he has a monster (which is not too often the case imo) he calls/raises and Im done with the hand (unless I hit my magic Q)

the reason why turn bet is bad is that first, he can well have AJo himself, second he can have AQo and doesn't want to bloat the pot oop, third, you have only 3 outs, fourth, if he has a flush draw, it could have picked up some extra outs on the turn, plus you are deeper than usual, so he will think of his implied odds (all nl50ers do, don't ask why) and will talk himself into calling eventually, being oop at that. but the chance of him having a flush draw is lower since a 24/20 would probably raise it on the flop OOP. Also the preflop action dictates that he has a good/marginal hand, but not a monster, otherwise he would have repopped your iso-raise PF. All in all, your range is still wide enough on the turn, because you isolated a limper pf and could have a whole bunch of hands, and you've got only 3 outs, plus that J could help your villain but rarely helps your range. The bottom line is this - turn bet is going to be bad in this spot most of the time, given that the villain is unknown and you don't know much about his tendencies

So the flop bet isn't great because they call too much, right?

But if they're calling too much on the flop to make his continuation bet "not great," then surely the double barrel must be good because he's getting folds from eights and flush draws.

If they're not calling eights on the flop then the CB is very good/standard.

This is a check behind a lot and a double barrel a lot depending on if you have any sort of read whatsoever on the villain. Against an unknown, I prefer the turn bet if you're capable of bombing rivers.

if you're gonna bet the turn, make it more like $13 imo. people don't fold top pair, and that's enough to fold out an 8x or whatever random stuff. you're ahead of most flush draws, so it would be fantastic if those called you.

First, this is uNL where most bluffs and plays are 0EV at best. The game is easily beaten just playing straight up.

2nd, the sb's range of flatting in the SB has to be fairly narrow... It includes a lot of mid pocket pairs, Ax hands, and broadway cards. Flatting the flop bet makes it less likely hes on a pure draw, because then it becomes a pretty bad reverse implied odds hand for him and turns his hand faceup when he hits. An AQ, AJ, AT,JJ, TT, 99, 88 seem a lot more likely...

So the Cbet on the flop is okay, but when he flats there, the turn bet is pretty bad. There is no real hand that he is calling on the flop that hes laying down on the turn.

Don't need to double barrel ever at these stakes, especially not here.

Pretty good rule:
Don't double barrel on A high boards.

this.

If his range is narrow including mainly AQ, AJ, AT,JJ, TT, 99, 88, then how is the flop not the easiest CB ever then? You can't have it both ways, saying the turn double barrel is spew and the flop CB is "meh."

I think the range you assigned is way off anyways. People will constantly call with a flush draw here with a person left to act, especially if it's a low flush draw as they may use your logic where you don't believe anyone at these stakes will ever fold an ace and they can stack them or at least win a huge pot, and I don't know what you're talking about with "reverse implied odds" as it's not very likely he's going to be overflushed and he can have any flushdraws in his range (including the nut flush draw anyways).

Besides, he flatted an open in the sb. What do you think a player that does this does with a flush draw on the flop?

It doesn't matter if this is uNL or not, you want to take the most +EV line (and actually learn how to play cards, it's not just magically going to click when you move up to SSNL) and using rules like "Most bluffs are neutral EV at best" is horrible, I could play NL$50 for an hour and find a dozen bluffs which are ++EV.