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08-16-2010 , 01:25 PM

Fred

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Boss $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 10 players - View hand 862595
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $56.00
UTG: $86.37
UTG+1: $53.15
UTG+2: $20.00
MP1: $62.45
MP2: $32.20
MP3: $23.75
CO: $10.00
BTN: $75.49
Hero (SB): $49.60

CO posts a big blind ($0.75)

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K

6 folds, CO checks, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($13.25) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $8.00, BTN raises to $16, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($45.25) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $22.62, Hero ??

Villian is 40/20 after 50 hands, I 3bet as HJ posted dead blind so i figured his PFR was a steal so i can take down pot there. After Minraise I feel he has 1010 AQ or bluff, fold here?

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08-16-2010 , 01:34 PM

PanicIwould

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I would say it's a fold here unless you want to get your whole stack in with TP. You hit the high end of his range. TT or AQ is def possible holdings. I would look for a better spot to get all my money in. You can still get away from this hand in this spot IMO.

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08-16-2010 , 01:41 PM

Fred

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Originally Posted by PanicIwould

yeah i passed but just the fact that he was your typical aggrodonk who would Minraise any Q or even JJ i wasnt sure. In the end i felt OOP it just wasnt a great spot.

What about a flop call, if im going to check fold turn do i fold flop? that just seems too weak but at the same time makes sense if im folding turn?

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08-16-2010 , 01:48 PM

daithi2+2

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Aggrodonk So i dont think calling down is too bad imo

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08-16-2010 , 01:50 PM

Evs215

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Originally Posted by Fred

Villian is 40/20 after 50 hands, I 3bet as HJ posted dead blind so i figured his PFR was a steal so i can take down pot there. After Minraise I feel he has 1010 AQ or bluff, fold here?

If that was your only plan, you probably should fold to the raise.

Wouldn't advise 3 betting to get someone to fold that's a maniac. It's better to exploit this guy by letting them bet into you when you have TPTK type hands or better and try to get it in by the turn. They'll hang themselves.

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08-16-2010 , 01:54 PM

Evs215

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Originally Posted by Fred

What about a flop call, if im going to check fold turn do i fold flop? that just seems too weak but at the same time makes sense if im folding turn?

As played,
I don't like calling the flop raise and folding the turn. He's very aggro, we pretty much know he's going to bet the turn if you check and raise you if you bet at this point.

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08-16-2010 , 01:59 PM

PanicIwould

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Originally Posted by Fred

Yeah, ****ty spot. What was his fold to 3bet%. If he had a high fold to 3bet% then the preflop move is good. Otherwise just cold-call and try and control the pot size which is going to be really hard OOP. I would probably just fold here pre most of the time.

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08-16-2010 , 02:00 PM

Fred

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not enough hands for a fold to 3bet stat, ordinarily id fold this pre but give it was his 4th raise in succesion and the HJ posting dead blinds I was pretty sure i had the best hand pre.

I think I better way of playing this hand given the villain would be to call pre flop and check call him down and get max value from his bluffs?

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08-16-2010 , 02:03 PM

MartL

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Originally Posted by Fred

I think I better way of playing this hand given the villain would be to call pre flop and check call him down and get max value from his bluffs?

I like this line. KQo plays well against his range but i wouldnt want to be building a big pot with the hand so i prefer calling pre. I would take a check call line on this sort of board for a couple of streets.

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08-16-2010 , 02:06 PM

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PanicIwould

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Originally Posted by Fred

Dont think this player will check down IMO. He is too agressive. With a 40/20 he is going to be betting on almost every street. No problem with the cold call pre but the proper line would be check/call all the way down. He would probably bluff the whole way even with air.

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08-16-2010 , 02:07 PM

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Fred

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Originally Posted by PanicIwould

thats what i mean, i should check call 3 streets expecting to have the best hand most of the time, Im not checking in hope of a cheap showdown im checking to extract value.

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08-16-2010 , 04:19 PM

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tzwien

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Definitely don't like the 3bet or the sizing if you are going to 3bet. How often is a 40/20 maniac going to fold? Then we're OOP and hating life on most flops. Apparently even flops that hit us well.

Call pf and let him barrel for you.

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08-16-2010 , 04:24 PM

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WeirdFishes

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i figured his PFR was a steal so i can take down pot there.

why did you 3bet so small than?

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08-16-2010 , 06:44 PM

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Fred

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Originally Posted by WeirdFishes

why did you 3bet so small than?

that would be an error, not used to the software yet at boss, i didnt realise i had 3bet this small, usually id make this $7.50 or maybe $8 OOP

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08-16-2010 , 08:55 PM

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wannyn

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What is Boss?

Never heard of it. Is boss the same as boss media poker? I had a quick look on the internet. Looks a bit dodge, they cannot speak english and seem ******ed, for just one example see a copy of some of their online poker advice;

"b) Exhibit a poker face (<---wtf?) ; this makes the other gamblers wary of your cards. Your appearance will let your opponent know how good or how bad are your cards. A point to keep in mind, never plan any clue to them, if you will, then make sure that if you do have bad cards, pretend you have or else."

No offence just thought you might enjoy this little gem.

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08-18-2010 , 11:07 AM

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Fred

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Originally Posted by wannyn

site is called poker heaven, vry fish site, but i think ur reading somethign about a different site

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08-18-2010 , 11:34 AM

#17

threads13

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Originally Posted by tzwien

The 3-bet is fine. It's for value. He will call with hands like K8s. He almost might min-raise a hand like that.

This hand is much easier if you have a commitment plan. You have TP2k in a 3-bet pot versus a LAG mark. You shouldn't be folding. He could easily raise 2nd pair, GS's, worse TP's, etc.

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08-18-2010 , 12:27 PM

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Jabba021

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If you want to fold its better done on the flop because hes prob betting turn every time. But i wouldnt be folding flop vs this guy. Calling is good actually to keep his bluffs in imo. You gotta stack now.

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