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10-26-2010 , 06:17 PM
OK second and last post for today.

Villain is 24/18 over 1k hands so not a total rock but solid and I usually avoid him with out a big hand. Did I just punk out or was i right to be cautious.

I felt like AQh, Maybe even AKh


$10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $9.15
BB: $15.91
Hero (UTG): $14.48
CO: $16.89
BTN: $6.40

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.35, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 3 7 3 (2 players)
BB bets $0.37, Hero raises to $1.14, BB calls $0.77

Turn: ($3.03) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.03) J (2 players)
BB bets $2.11, Hero folds
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10-26-2010 , 06:18 PM
well done putting villain on two combos of hands after he donk/calls flop
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10-26-2010 , 06:18 PM
Nice hand. I also don't hate betting $2.25-2.65 on the turn.
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10-26-2010 , 06:21 PM
You become so exploitable if you continue to play like this.
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10-26-2010 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Abberation
Nice hand. I also don't hate betting $2.25-2.65 on the turn.
Yea, i can't lie that ace scurrd me. I figured if he was donk betting the FD he had the Ah for sure. Arrrgh, I hate when a good player wants in!
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10-26-2010 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BooG690
You become so exploitable if you continue to play like this.

I totally agree, but some players you know your beat. Is he really donk bet/calling with nothing just to trick me later? If you can't fold KK/AA once and a while your exploitable too. He could have been getting tricky, but I have so many hands on him he doesn't look to get out of line too much. These guys show AQh on the river a lot in this situation.
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10-26-2010 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGo
I totally agree, but some players you know your beat. Is he really donk bet/calling with nothing just to trick me later? If you can't fold KK/AA once and a while your exploitable too. He could have been getting tricky, but I have so many hands on him he doesn't look to get out of line too much. These guys show AQh on the river a lot in this situation.
If I'm villain, I'm betting QQ all day after you check the turn. Just something to consider.
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10-26-2010 , 06:36 PM
So you came here with this hand for advice or to persuade us into thinking how you think?

Note on LetsGo: folds KK at first sight of ace and/or completed flush.
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10-26-2010 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Abberation
If I'm villain, I'm betting QQ all day after you check the turn. Just something to consider.
to get him off KK?
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10-26-2010 , 06:40 PM
The short answer is based on your read a fold is fine.

Overall, I think its a call.

FWIW, I like a bet/fold turn. If villain calls or raise, you are done.

Long answer
Villain is far from a Rock and his line if he is solid is probably best understood by your stats. What does this guy call with OOP to a UTG raise but doesn't 3 bet? Again this depends on your stats and if you pay off or not (if he's paying attention).

A reasonable range is big Ax and any pocket pair of which you beat a lot. He probably 3bets the big Ax if you are at all loose but I think it evens out the range. You can throw in 3x or sooted connecters if you want as well.

Your line looks scared so you can talk yourself into a call here easily. Stove it taking hands out of the range to see when you aren't ahead or have the odds.
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10-26-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fsn
to get him off KK?
No, no...to get value from the flush.
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10-26-2010 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BooG690
No, no...to get value from the flush.
Bingo.
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10-26-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BooG690
So you came here with this hand for advice or to persuade us into thinking how you think?

Note on LetsGo: folds KK at first sight of ace and/or completed flush.
No, I totally agree I could have folded the best hand that's why I'm asking for advice.

My question has more to do with the villain being a solid player. Do you pay them off and hope there tricking you, or do you accept that they usually bet with a good hand.

I've seen this type of hand a lot and had it my self. AK-A10s, you flop a FD, turn and A, river completes your flush. Your hand just keeps getting better and at no point are you folding.

So I fire turn and he calls, then what? Check fold the river after building the pot?
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10-26-2010 , 07:03 PM
Well, you're allowing villain to turn any hands that he called on the flop into a bluff on the river. Sure he calls with some flush draws (including the AhXh you speak of), but he may often call with some mid-pocket pairs as well. These hands are betting a shitton on the river, especially given that he perceives you bet with air on the flop and just gave up.

Do you have any indication as to how villain plays post-flop? I can probably find a call here with a lot of villains I play with, but these are calls I make with more reads. With 1K hands on villain, you must know how he plays.
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10-26-2010 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BooG690
Do you have any indication as to how villain plays post-flop? I can probably find a call here with a lot of villains I play with, but these are calls I make with more reads. With 1K hands on villain, you must know how he plays.
Yea, I should have better notes. I recently cut back from mass tabling so I'm building notes. What I had was "Solid, shows down winners, avoid" Obviously sucky notes, but that's why I've cut back to 4 tables max.
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10-26-2010 , 07:20 PM
[ ] rock
bet turn
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