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11-05-2008 , 01:05 AM
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $12.10
MP: $11.01
CO: $9.81
BTN: $8.02
Hero (SB): $10.87
BB: $8.56

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.40) 3 9 Q (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2


I went for a check raise here because I had a read that BB would bet many hands if checked to. Besides I'm not worried about not getting one street of value because this 3bet pot is so big I will get the money in. My plan was to shove the turn ~1/2 psb after BB called.


Turn: ($8.40) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

This is a bad turn card for me to shove because I wasn't sure he would call with a queen. I thought I would go into check call mode now and hope he bets weaker hands than mine

River: ($12.40) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2


I feel like this hand was completely butchered once the ace landed on the turn. Of course, in retrospect I could have made my decisions easier by just shoving the flop, but my question is: How would you think is the optimal way to play this hand?
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11-05-2008 , 02:17 AM
Im pretty much always betting this flop, but if you had a read that works too. Obviously the turn is a horrible card - but it could also be a horrible card for him! I am pretty much always going to bet here again. You have decent fold equity, and your hand definitely still has showdown value if he doesnt think you have an ace.

As played from the flop, I would bet the turn, and c/c the river (depending on the card).

Terrible turn, but it doesnt hit his flop calling range particularly, unless you put him on AQ from the start, which is fairly unlikely.
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11-05-2008 , 02:25 AM
being oop you need to raise more on the flop if youare going to c/r
bet the turn
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11-05-2008 , 03:09 AM
Ummm, yeah sure he will bet when checked too.... but C/R also turns your hand face up. Also, this is a drawy board so he may just decide to take a free card w/ TJ or a FD. This is a must bet on the flop... and turn.... etc.

His range is PP's like 77+, AQ/AK (maybe AJ). When he calls the flop I think you can take the aces out of his range unless he's floating a lot, although I don't think that will be the case in 3b pots. So just go for 3 streets of value... Check/Calling the turn can't really be bad, because it might be the best way to keep a hand like TT or 88 in the game if he's prone to give up when two face cards are on the board and you've shown a lot of strength. If he bets a lot when checked to then this is probably a good time to go for that, especially if he's prone to give up a lot and if he's betting small w/ crap that he doesn't know what to do with.... you can just get to SD cheap.
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11-05-2008 , 03:09 AM
Hi Obloni
This is my first post in this sub-forum, I switched to six max permanently today from full ring, and I love it. Preflop and flop seem good for you. For the turn try a check-raise, check-fold, or bet-fold, don't check-call ever in this situation, you have two outs only. If he didn't fold on the turn then check-fold the river I think, he probably has the Ace atleast. Good luck, Yojimgari
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11-05-2008 , 06:07 AM
why do i need to c/r more on the flop? it's either my line and then shove turn, or crai. and i much rather c/r my amount then shove turn, than to crai and risk scaring away a QT kind of hand.

@ the guys who say bet turn, you mean shove turn? i'd rather let him bet then letting a hand like TT go off cheap. sure, i have "decent fold equity" if i shove here, but i'm not folding out anything stronger than my hand and sure am not interested in folding out all the hands that i beat.

and @ yojimgari: i am not drawing to my outs. i don't mind losing my stack to some AK or AQ hand here. I'm more concerned about getting value from weaker q's and smaller pp's.
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11-05-2008 , 08:54 AM
OP, i would just bet the flop, 3 way the BB may not want to fire a bluff. After preflop i would put him on AQ AK 88-QQ, once he calls the check raise i think youre looking at AsKs AQ QQ maaaaybe KQ and a few random spades. (ive never played $5nl so cant be sure on a range), i would say with that turn card you have very little equity and c/f.

CR on turn would be meh with a safe turn.
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