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A huge fish had recently left the table and villain seemed to be playing hyper aggro vs everyone and not just the fish who got destroyed. Their aggression factor was 5 over a small sample size.

I had just stacked villain on an Ace high flop where he showed up with A10.
He was being extremely aggressive post flop with tp hands.

i flat the four bet because we are deep with the intention of getting stacks in on non Ace flops.

Is the shove to the re raise spewy?

Do you think this is poorly played?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 214 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 14.71, Hands: 91)
BB: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 22.98, PFR: 19.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.10, Hands: 468)
UTG: 149.4 BB (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 370.4 BB (VPIP: 18.80, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.13, Hands: 358)
Hero (CO): 206.4 BB
BTN: 94 BB (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 30 BB, Hero calls 19.6 BB

Flop: (61.4 BB, 2 players) 8 Q 6
UTG checks, Hero bets 30 BB, UTG raises to 60 BB, Hero raises to 176.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 59.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (300.2 BB, 2 players) T

River: (300.2 BB, 2 players) 3

given your reads its good
vs reg i would xb flop i think

As you see we can hardly potcontrol postflop. Thats why I prefer 5bet to call pre, we pay to AA both ways.

People always have the nuts a ton when they minraise is the problem.

What is the stack bb limit (how much deep) to stack off KK pre and be very happy about it?

Yes. It kills his bluffing range and you only get it in "good" vs 97s if he's not spewing himself.

So what you just snap fold this?

Yes Im not happy with 5b/AI/gii. However 150bb deep we have hard time postflop, either we pay to AA or let all bluffs realize equity which often is close to 30%.
There are reasons to call pre and keep his range wider as well as there are reasons to 5bet second best hand pre.

No. I call and keep his range wide.

How wide can his range be in a 4 bet pot though?

Not very most likely. But if he is bluffing (semi or otherwise) or overplaying something like AQ or KQ I want to give myself a better chance of being able to make a light call down vs those ranges. It's just a crap spot once he clicks it back and the best chance of KK being good is to keep these type of hands and play in his range imo.

Tbh I think we can be very happy to GII pre for 150bb with kings, unless we playing vs a complete nit even than I wouldn't be unhappy to GII ~~

When should we stop being happy, that's what I asked.

Its all very relative. I was always terrible deep and avoided it. Dynamics change quite a bit people start 3betting more 4betting more so I would say there isn't really a point? I mean of course you have that super nit on your table and you guys are 300bb deep he never 4bet before you will obviously not try to get kings in vs him. But I mean it doesn't really have anything to do with with stacksizes.
I remember someone here posting nl500 zoom hands 3years ago in his blog he posted a hand where he isolated and got min4bet and folded kings for 100bb the other guy got it in vs the fish with aces. My mind was completely blown.

Right around these stack sizes is my "stop being happy" limit against normal players.

I'm GII preflop for sure with these semi-awkward stack sizes and a overly aggressive UTG raiser. Unfortunately, the min-raise on the flop looks super strong and I think he shows up with QQ,AA more often than not. Shoving eliminates any bluffs, and the worst hand your getting called with is AQ or KQ. KQ is unlikely though because you have two blockers. If you don't include KQ in your range you have 49% equity, and quite frankly I don't think most villains would min-raise AQ.

Obviously your getting a ridiculous price to continue, and if you trust your read that his range is heavily weighted towards TPTK hands, then I'd call and play against his range.

flatting a flop x/r in a 4b pot instead of jamming doesnt "keep ranges wider" lol. Look at the remaining stacks ott if we flat. No one is minraising flop to x/f, no one is calling an x/r to fold turn, ever.

Wrong.

Start here

When he calls your 4bet what range of hands does he come with to the flop?

From that range which hands do you want to get value from when you bet?

But why don't you just try to stack him preflop? Especially if he's aggro.
If he has AA you're done either way,