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07-04-2008 , 02:56 PM

$upermad4it

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Party Poker $400 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $261.56
SB: $449.80
BB: $331.10
Hero (UTG): $516.10
CO: $72.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, SB raises to $55, 1 fold, Hero calls $39

Flop: ($114.00) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $91, Hero ?

Villain is standard TAG who 3 bets about 8% from the blinds (but not sure against which positions)

Whats the best move here - shove?call?minraise?

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07-04-2008 , 03:05 PM

coldi

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Shove for sure

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07-04-2008 , 03:19 PM

$upermad4it

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well if I shove he's calling me with AK with a diamond, AA,KK,QQ,TT,AQ,KQ right?

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07-04-2008 , 03:24 PM

coldi

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AJ with a diamond, JJ w/ diamond, and maybe even some more

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07-04-2008 , 06:23 PM

shandyboy

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i think this is one for poker stove, i guess the range for villain wd be AK with a diamond, AA,KK,QQ, JdJ,TT,AdQ,KdQ, AJ with a diamond.

Dont have pokerstove at the mo...

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07-04-2008 , 07:08 PM

Reefypoopoo

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call

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07-04-2008 , 07:10 PM

noricha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by $upermad4it

Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, SB raises to $55, 1 fold, Hero calls $39

Flop: ($114.00) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $91, Hero ?

Villain is standard TAG who 3 bets about 8% from the blinds (but not sure against which positions)

Whats the best move here - shove?call?minraise?

The preflop playback tells me that he has a disperse range of start block hands. Uon flop, his action clearly indicates a minor draw to JJ or TT. In the trio of situations, your likelihood of streaming to a win is very close to nil. I would fold right there.

In fact, I would've either folded or shoved preflop.

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07-04-2008 , 09:05 PM

illuminati

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Either call and shove a non diamond turn or just ram the flop.

I much prefer the first generally, as I'd prefer him to carry on with his bluffs etc.

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07-05-2008 , 01:23 AM

Eddi

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Call, stack off on non-diamond turn. Inviting variance by shoving seems pretty pointless.

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07-05-2008 , 01:49 AM

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schundler

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Originally Posted by Eddi

Call, stack off on non-diamond turn. Inviting variance by shoving seems pretty pointless.

shoving only "invites variance" if he hardly ever folds

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07-05-2008 , 03:04 AM

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Eddi

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Originally Posted by schundler

shoving only "invites variance" if he hardly ever folds

Most of the hands that fold to flop shove c/f turn, and calling reduces variance against the rest.

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07-05-2008 , 05:21 AM

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$upermad4it

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Originally Posted by noricha

who is this guy??

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07-05-2008 , 05:24 AM

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$upermad4it

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Originally Posted by Eddi

Most of the hands that fold to flop shove c/f turn, and calling reduces variance against the rest.

meh any hand that he bets the turn with is calling my flop shove, I dont think I catch too many bluffs by calling the flop. Is it not slightly better therefore to shove the flop while I can still get all the money in with his diamond draws?

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07-05-2008 , 11:05 AM

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noricha

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Originally Posted by $upermad4it

who is this guy??

I am just another guy ...

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07-05-2008 , 01:01 PM

#15

Melchiades

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I'm shoving.

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07-05-2008 , 01:08 PM

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Kermit

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Originally Posted by noricha

poker on acid is fun!

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07-05-2008 , 01:36 PM

#17

noricha

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no way bro

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07-05-2008 , 01:36 PM

#18

fishermansfriend

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I prefer jammin, but call flop and get it in on blank turn is fine too.

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07-05-2008 , 01:43 PM

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coldi

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Originally Posted by noricha

no way bro

What he meant was that your post is a) cryptic and b) pretty terrible.

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07-05-2008 , 01:48 PM

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noricha

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thanks for the constructive criticism.

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07-05-2008 , 01:57 PM

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dirtytricks

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This is actualla a little close since you are UTG and his range is probably pretty narrow. Still I think showing is best. I strongly dislike flatting KK here unless he 3bets like a monkey.

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07-05-2008 , 02:01 PM

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illuminati

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Originally Posted by noricha

This entire poast made me laugh hard.

Read it then reread it. It's the poast that keeps on giving.

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07-05-2008 , 02:14 PM

#23

sokiraJ

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Originally Posted by noricha

this is hysterical
A+

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07-05-2008 , 02:15 PM

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noricha

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Originally Posted by illuminati

This entire poast made me laugh hard.

Read it then reread it. It's the poast that keeps on giving.

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