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04-01-2014 , 07:12 AM
Villain is a reg playing 15/13 with 10% raise 1st from EP. 71% fold to 3b. He is folding 45% to 3b from EP.

51% fold to cbet. 100% bet vs missed cbet on turn. 57% W$SD


What do you guys think of my play ? I couldn`t put him on an ace here (beside AA), so i felt his range was mainly some stupid protection from JJ/QQ. A hand like 88-99 he turned into a bluff, or a set. Im also not sure he flats small pairs pre.


Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($14.91)
SB ($34.23)
Hero (BB) ($25)
UTG ($36.32)
UTG+1 ($36.23)
MP1 ($56.51)
MP2 ($21.93)
MP3 ($48.15)
CO ($25.87)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
UTG raises $0.75, 7 folds, Hero raises $2.25, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10) 4, 7, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, UTG calls $3.25

Turn: ($11.60) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7

River: ($25.60) K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $23.57 (All-In), Hero calls $12.25 (All-In)

Total pot: $50.10

Last edited by Thuen88; 04-01-2014 at 07:18 AM.
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04-01-2014 , 07:16 AM
Everything is fine for me, is he had AA, just cooler.
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04-01-2014 , 07:22 AM
looks pretty reasonable.
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04-01-2014 , 07:22 AM
your c bet is to big 2.60 something like that it was better imo . i think is ok played . you may play bet /fold ott . you have info about him that is aggresive and bet river if you x ? if not i dont like your x otr here
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04-01-2014 , 08:36 AM
My check on the river is mandatory imo after taking the turn check/call line.
Im never getting called by QQ/JJ, and all his sets and turned bluffs is betting that river. If he is any decent he could even hate life and fold his smaller sets here, cause my line would look so strong on that run out.

I don`t like betting the turn because he is just folding everything i beat from these positions imo.

BTW Why do you think betting 2.60 accomplish that 3.25 doesnt ? I mean on the flop before betting his range is heavily weighted towards overpairs and AK/AQs


The hard question here is: What do i do on a brick river ?

Last edited by Thuen88; 04-01-2014 at 08:41 AM.
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04-01-2014 , 09:26 AM
Did you consider just flatting pre?
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04-01-2014 , 09:38 AM
Yes i mix it up (probably flat it more than i 3b it overall), but i`ve been playing pretty loose lately, so im more weighted towards 3betting this hand in this spot atm.

Last edited by Thuen88; 04-01-2014 at 09:50 AM.
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04-01-2014 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Thuen88
My check on the river is mandatory imo after taking the turn check/call line.
Im never getting called by QQ/JJ, and all his sets and turned bluffs is betting that river. If he is any decent he could even hate life and fold his smaller sets here, cause my line would look so strong on that run out.

I don`t like betting the turn because he is just folding everything i beat from these positions imo.

BTW Why do you think betting 2.60 accomplish that 3.25 doesnt ? I mean on the flop before betting his range is heavily weighted towards overpairs and AK/AQs


The hard question here is: What do i do on a brick river ?
beacause is 3 bet pot and i know that 1/2 is ok here vs reg . if he was aa fish i would bet 4 $ for value .

if river was brik i x/fold here
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04-01-2014 , 09:42 AM
You need to think more in dept about ranges/board texure/positions etc imo, before your blindly betting half pot because someone else says its standard.
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04-01-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Thuen88
You need to think more in dept about ranges/board texure/positions etc imo, before your blindly betting half pot because someone else says its standard.
if you say so .... but if you where in his place and kave ak .aq type hands what do you do when somebody c bet 3/4 here ?
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04-01-2014 , 10:48 AM
The same as i do vs a 3.25 bet. Because of positions im not very likely to make a move here.

When regs flat 3bs from UTG vs Blinds their range is heavily weighted toward JJ and QQ, and i want maximum value vs those hands. 88-TT is probably also calling one bet regardless.

I do agree with you that half pot size bets in 3b pots is very normal in various scenarios, but i don`t agree that this is one of them,
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04-01-2014 , 12:57 PM
Am in the only one who check/fold turn?

When a player bets and then calls a 3-bet i think Ax is half is range. I like fold turn, or c-bet turn check fold river all more then a call call. If you did c-bet turn and got called, you can be certain you are behind at the cost of a bet, rahter then spending two bets calling twice (except you spiked a king so obvously you call now). I sitll think folding turn is fine too but call call looks like your just giving free money away, hoping that he is trying to bluff you with like JJ TT 99 or catch a king or something. Which you did... so i guess it worked out

edit: okay i kinda get your thinking now... you called turn with the intention of folding river until you spiked the king. I think this is an okay line then, still kinda like check/fold turn more but as long as you intend to fold river i think its okay

Last edited by TheSamasaurus; 04-01-2014 at 01:17 PM.
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04-01-2014 , 01:30 PM
ch/folding turn seems way to weak to me, as there are no Ax in his range for calling the flop bet. I could see arguments for betting really small on the turn and ch/fold river though.
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04-01-2014 , 02:14 PM
Disagree that there are no Ax. I'd say that a large percentage of regs would both flat AK pre and then float that flop.
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04-01-2014 , 02:31 PM
If there are those are super rare imo from these positions. Its not common at all for regs at this limit to float AK on that board UTG vs BB.

Just think about it. BB 3betting range from utg should be the absolute tightets, so why the **** do regs wanna float AK on that board ? Makes no sence imo.
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04-01-2014 , 03:09 PM
This seems completely fine/standard play to me.
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04-01-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Thuen88
If there are those are super rare imo from these positions. Its not common at all for regs at this limit to float AK on that board UTG vs BB.

Just think about it. BB 3betting range from utg should be the absolute tightets, so why the **** do regs wanna float AK on that board ? Makes no sence imo.
Sorry but I have to disagree. Regs will flat AK pre there pretty much all the time. Flatting AK then folding the flop, especially when as you say, you've been playing pretty loose recently, seems pretty bad. If you're going to fold AK on that flop you should probably be folding it pre.
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04-01-2014 , 03:47 PM
I`ve only been playing pretty loose the last few days. This reg has several thousand hands on me prob where i have been playing around 14/12/3.5 with a 3b % from these positions of around 2. Even after i`ve loosened up im still not 3betting much from these positions as most other regs. BB vs UTG dynamics is almost non existent in these limits imo.

If you think its good of him to float AK on that flop vs my percieved nutted 3betting range, i don`t know what planet you are on.

Last edited by Thuen88; 04-01-2014 at 03:53 PM.
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04-01-2014 , 04:37 PM
In my experience 10Nl "regs" play pretty fit or fold, I doubt he has Ak on the turn very much. Arguably he should.
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04-01-2014 , 04:39 PM
So does 25nl regs from these positions, and why should they make some move on this board vs my nutted 3bet range 100bb deep ?

He can`t flat the cbet for value cause my range is way ahead of AK, and he can`t turn his hand into a bluff on this board cause it doesn`t hit his percieved range.
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04-01-2014 , 05:27 PM
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i don`t know what planet you are on.
Seriously Thuen. Just don't. Specially not vs Ron. Not to mention I actually agree with him.
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04-01-2014 , 05:39 PM
Well from my perspective, 3betting KK the UTG opener is fine, because he opens 10% and folds 45%, so his range should be AK,QQ,JJ,TT, prob 99 and we dominate his range. The bet on the flop is also fine, maybe abit less would be nice, no need to fold out 99,TT with big bet. on the turn check is fine, to induce some bluffs, some floats and stuff. Ofcourse x/c the turn, and reevaluate on the river, but since OTR you catch a set, x/c is fine too, since he took the initiative OTT and you let him bluff/value bet some worse hands.
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04-01-2014 , 06:09 PM
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Seriously Thuen. Just don't. Specially not vs Ron. Not to mention I actually agree with him.
How the hell can you agree with him that floating AK on this board vs a nitty 3b range is any good 100bb deep ?


If i am so far of, please explain in depth why that play is any good here instead of your usuall "none" helpfull comments. If it is good, i doubt most regs recognize this anyway.

I agree that floating AK here has some merits if ranges where wider, but they are not when i 3b BB vs EP. Im super nutted here, and villain most likely knows this.

Last edited by Thuen88; 04-01-2014 at 06:16 PM.
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04-01-2014 , 06:30 PM
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instead of your usuall "none" helpfull comments.
W/e. Good luck.
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04-01-2014 , 06:40 PM
Lol you know what i mean. I Respect your meanings and agree on most of them, but you`re almost never wright in dept but rather waving your dick against beginning players 90% of the time. Do you have life beside 2+2 btw ?
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