Villain is a 52/17 af 2.33 23 hands

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
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6 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($5.00)
MP - MP ($5.00)
CO - CO ($5.81)
BTN - BTN ($8.24)
SB - SB ($4.94)
BB - Hero ($13.45)

Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: J 5 2 ($0.92, 2 players - BTN: $7.79, Hero: $13.00)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: 5 ($2.32, 2 players - BTN: $7.09, Hero: $12.30)
Hero bets $1.80, BTN raises to $7.09 (all-in), Hero calls $5.29

River: Q ($16.50, 2 players, 1 all-in - BTN: $0.00, Hero: $5.21)

My only question is if this is always trips? Cuz if that so, this is always fold? Or what do I need to observe in these spots?

This is a 3 bet pot (so we can't get Villain as much credit for 5x), and villain is a spaz. Obviously nothing to do except snap call.

You have so little information but with the information we do have I would assume villain is a somewhat passive fish. I would expect him to call with all kinds of crap so I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5 here but then I wouldn't be surprised to see QJ either or some flushdraw + pair or whatever I would probably call and take a note.

More jacks and FD in his range than 5x and you only need 33% equity to break even.

sorry u lost

For starters i would 3bet more oop 3x is ok ip but i d make it at least 4x 150bb deep oop.
I m not folding either, he can have Jx spades or QQ or just a random spadedraw. He obviously will show up with a lot of 5s but imo its just a cooler.

Villain is an unknown, not necessarily a spaz. With less than 100 hands (and even that is a super-duper, way-too-small sample size) I would be wary of drawing any conclusions.

I use the number of 100 hands because, at that point, we can start drawing hypothesis as to his post-flop tendencies. How many times has he opened BTN when folded to? Subsequently, how has he reacted to a 3b from blinds? Subsequently, how has he reacted on the flop cbet? Subsequently, how has he reacted to double barrel? How often has he bluff raised (need to be paying enough attention to have taken a note)? Does he play for stacks with TP? Will he call down with these?

So, these are the relevant stats to provide us (and most importantly yourself) when using your HUD. And so you can react to villain as if he is unknown because, well, he is. You have 3+ orbits on the guy. Nowhere near enough to draw any conclusions on this hand in particular. This ought to be a thread on its own. It likely is .. I just don't feel like taking the time to look it up. Ironically, i did care enough to take the time to articulate that we don't have enough info to use the given info. Still am. I'll stop.

B/f turn.

hahaha

Snap it off.

Why are you laughing? We have no information, whatsoever, on villain.

To say an unknown villain gets it in light is wishful thinking because, again, we don't know anything about the dude. So, for you to weight his range to spaz is more laughable than my saying "I simply don't know what he's doing, kudos to him if he's attempting to push me off my hand when I 3b pre and have bet 2 streets." I just don't think random villains are going to try that unless they have me beat. And do you really think villain is thinking that I think that? I don't know. So, I assume he's looking at his absolute hand strength, so by comparison, my 1 pair hand >100bb is not something I'm playing for stacks.

Until proven otherwise, I'm assuming any villain that I don't know is not raising dbl barrels light. Seems to be a stack-punting technique, and that's not something I'm into.

It's 23 hands, but even after that small sample you'll struggle to find a competent player with those stats. But if you're suggesting we should be assuming villain is a decent thinking player that we should give credit too, until we have a bigger sample then there are absolutely no 5's in his 3b calling range anyway, so which is it?

If villain is the type to call a 3b with A5s here, he's probably just likely to push his Jx, FD or even complete air here and as it's already been pointed out we need to be good just 33% (haven't checked this fwiw) to break even. Stove Jx, 5x and just a few FD's and see what we are against that range. Folding here is a huge leak.

Quoted from my post.

Unknowns are non-thinkers til proven otherwise. Unknowns don't get it in light in 3b pots until proven otherwise.

B/f this turn is really just laughable. He can easily shove worse for value and you don't need a lot of worse hands to shove for this to be a very profitable snap-off.

ok, but u have to give him a range, u can't fold here just cause he is unknown

so u fold cause u think he got JJ,55,22? or 5x? and if he is the kind of player who has a 5x here, don't you u think he could play QQ,AsJs,KsJs like this?

even a hand like JJ,55 i would expect to slow play this turn a lot, and if he got a hand like 5x i think he is pretty bad and would play bad other hands as well

I would agree in many circumstances with the above, but there are a couple of things that I think we can consider reliable even after so few hands. The 52/17 over 23 hands is a great indicator that villain isn't aware of basic poker concepts. He's played 12 hands and raised 4 of them. At 5nl, this guy overvalues his Jx, QQ, and spade draws all day. Someone already did the math, suggested we only need 33%; When are the pocket KK ever losing more than 2/3 of the time that you can justify a fold on the turn?

well played