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12-04-2015 , 06:24 AM

#26

Unsporting

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 4,479

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Originally Posted by cardbrute

dem feeeeels

See the issue with playing poker like that is sooner or later you're going to make a pretty colossally bad decision. Then maybe a few more then feel like poker is too hard and you have no idea why you're losing and how to move forward. What your're trying to touch on is deviating from a set strategy to play exploitative but not understanding why/how you're making adjustments specifically leads to the above again (and some of the general huge ****** plays recs/super bad regs tend to do on a consistent basis).

LOL! WP

Yeah I'm maybe just mahoosively overthinking stuff

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12-04-2015 , 08:03 AM

#27

tomj

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,543

Hand 2 is pretty close imo but I'd call. Sizing is worrying but I think we still have a good enough price and it's one of the better cards, less Qx in his range, hearts miss... Just a spot where I usually call down and we're good often enough to make money I think. I get that it's 2nl and 3 barreling isn't that common though.

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12-04-2015 , 08:52 AM

#28

Unsporting

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Originally Posted by tomj

Isn't it a terrible card to bluff? Or are we saying 2nl don't know it's a bad card to bluff at, so they do?

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12-04-2015 , 09:43 AM

#29

tomj

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He knows that you know it's a bad card to bluff so it's a good card to bluff

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12-04-2015 , 10:56 AM

#30

krimson

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,613

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Originally Posted by yjs1210

I play mid-high 20s VPIP and I find myself with like 8VPIP every now and then in my session stats even after like hundreds of hands.

Exactly this. The flip side of this is true as well, I can go 50 hands at a table and end up with 45/35 stats and appear as a huge fish to people paying more attention to stats than to the game.

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12-04-2015 , 11:38 AM

#31

creep

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 163

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Originally Posted by SCF

No, you 3bet these hands pre to get value from worse.

It doesn't make my comment any less valid.

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12-04-2015 , 11:42 AM

#32

creep

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 163

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Originally Posted by krimson

Exactly this. The flip side of this is true as well, I can go 50 hands at a table and end up with 45/35 stats and appear as a huge fish to people paying more attention to stats than to the game.

yep, if you multitable you will see this all the time. in one table you are 10/8, in the next you are 30/25 or whatever.

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12-04-2015 , 12:01 PM

#33

Bladesman87

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 14,543

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Originally Posted by Unsporting

LOL! WP

Yeah I'm maybe just mahoosively overthinking stuff

Basing your decisions on instinct and feelings is grossly underthinking.

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12-04-2015 , 02:27 PM

#34

Quetzalcatalyst

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Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 243

I'm not sure why you view snap bet as strength? If anything when I see it, it is usually a sign of weakness, a player who is just planning on c-betting regardless of board texture or thinking the hand through. You absolutely have not developed any significant image to him after < 100 hands so there's no reason to think he's playing around your style. I've played against several people in similar situations to yours and they'll often have lower pocket pairs or think their A9s is worth bombing with.

If he turns out to have aces its tough luck, but with KK against AA both of you should probably be GII pre anyways, its just the way the cards play.

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12-04-2015 , 02:59 PM

#35

SCF

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,281

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Originally Posted by creep

It doesn't make my comment any less valid.

It makes your comment irrelevant. We don't take a lower ev line just because it makes future streets easier to play. So, asking what line makes the hand easiest to play distracts from the relevant question of what line is the most +ev. In this case, getting value from worse is pretty clearly the reason to 3bet pre with KK, whether or not it makes later streets more difficult or easier to play.

It's also a reason why flatting with TT may be better - if UTG opens a narrow range and only proceeds with better, then 3betting TT oop from the BB vs an UTG open isn't the best line, even if it means that we have an easy decision if he 4bets us.

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12-04-2015 , 03:08 PM

#36

creep

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 163

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Originally Posted by SCF

OP comes here because he doesn't know how to play a hand. I argue that 3bet wouldn't put him in that spot. how is that irrelevant? I said nothing about what line is more profitable.

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12-04-2015 , 03:58 PM

#37

SCF

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,281

He wants to know how to play what he thinks is a tough spot. Telling him how to avoid it doesn't help. If someone wants to know how to fix a flat tire in his high performance mountain bike, telling him that he could get some low performance airless solid tires and avoid the problem isn't useful.

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