Hero is in SB with AKs...

Typical bad players..

UTG opens to $2, BTN whale calls (both have around $40, Hero covers)

If these people love to call 3bets pre, I find myself in a position where I make a 3bet to say $11-14, they call.. and then when I whiff flops like 762r, they end up calling my shoves with hands like 87s and beat me..

To counteract this, if stacks are say just 80bb deep like here, and there's okayish dead money like 8bbs, is it okay to just shove in this spot? esp oop

3bet larger next time, if they call larger next time and so on.
Find their threshold everybody's got one.
For some players is all in.

I feel u 100% these mofugas just fkn LOVE to call 3bets no matter what they hold, what position they are, or who's left to act. It's just funny.

I am always advocating in these forums to 3bet large and to 4b large. Let them make bigger mistakes (when they call)

I agree start 3B bigger until they start folding or gii PF with 87,or you can call if you dont like this high variance style.
You didnt say how many players are in the table and how much is BB?

this was 5 players... and BB was $0.5

right.. is there much difference between 3betting huge and simply shoving if stacks are say 80bbs though?

is there much difference between 3betting huge and simply shoving if stacks are say 80bbs though? > if we define huge 3bet something like 30 bbs then the answer has to be: no.

OFC at some point u will be committed, at that point is better to just shove imo

with 80bb stacks there is a lot of room to maneuver for them (and for you) to play postflop poker

true... but once my 3bet gets called (esp when im oop), i find it hard to play bad, aggressive players when i whiff the flop.. if i cbet, they don't fold any piece.. and if i check, they could shove a variety of hands from pairs to draws to airball bluffs.. and being a nit, i don't like calling off my stack with hero A highs

If u dont feel 100% with ur pos flop game, start to flat and play multi way to adjust to villains game

theres a big difference between shoving and 3bettin larger.. fishs loves to pay for a 3bet but never pays for an all in..

Try starting to flat with hands like AKs to adjust to villain games and 3betting those tagged fishs with made hands to stack em

so how many bbs do we draw the threshold to 3b big vs flat vs shove? im assuming flatting against a 20bb stack's open is criminal and it's much better to 3b big/shove... whereas deeper than that, flatting might be superior if my postflop game sucks.. when i say suck, i mean it's difficult to play when i don't hit..

also, when i flat pre and hit tp postflop, do we c/r their cbets or simply slowplay?

If they won't fold worse to a jam then do it, sure. I doubt that's true though and shoving probably won't work well for very long.

It's fine if they keep flatting. Sure, it sucks if you aren't hitting in 3-bet pots, but really all you can do is keep raising with the best hand and work on your post-flop game.

well, if it's a single 3x raise, i'm not blindly shoving.. but the stationy games i play in, there are probably 1 or 2 callers before it gets to me, so there's more incentive to shove... yes, it's an overplay, but the last few times i've been doing it, i've been picking 10bb pots preflop uncontested, which i really don't mind (vs losing my entire stack to their T9s type hands that never fold to 3bets).. this is ofc more true when OOP, and IP, i'm comfortable making normal 3bets as i have a positional advantage postflop...

even if my shoves start getting called, most of the time they won't have AA/KK... which means i'm flipping at best, or crush hands like AQ-...

Well, you're forgetting that playing well post-flop with AK is going to be highly profitable even if it sucks when you whiff completely. It comes across as though you're making a huge over adjustment because you don't like getting called. Getting called when you have AK is good for you.

i know this is true, but the last few times i've been in this 3b spot with AK oop as the 3bettor, the flop comes J72ss and i c/f to their PSB/shoves from 88/Jx/draw type of hands.. when it comes Axx or Kxx, i cbet and they simply fold... if i cbet whiffed flops, it seems like most of the time they always call forcing me to c/f turn OR end up shoving...