JUNGLEMAN WELL
05-20-2010
, 06:19 AM
series: maybe galfond's philosophy series?
probably phil ivey because he has won the most and is probably good at most games
ass, but shape is more important than size
of the one's ive tried dissarono tastes the best and goes down the smoothest (although only 54 proof)
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How has your life/ friendships changed since becoming robusto? Do you perceive your life to be radically different in the coming years?
Do you believe that you could be capable of taking a break even 50nl hu player and turn one into a winner at 50/100+ ?
Kind of related to second question but why do you believe some players grind out micro stakes for years without making a profit while others (isildur, durrrr, you etc) move up so quickly?
Sorry for so many questions, had a brainstorm
Do you believe that you could be capable of taking a break even 50nl hu player and turn one into a winner at 50/100+ ?
Kind of related to second question but why do you believe some players grind out micro stakes for years without making a profit while others (isildur, durrrr, you etc) move up so quickly?
Sorry for so many questions, had a brainstorm
not sure, different at least yes
yeah I think so, but I don't believe everyone is capable
Sometimes it's variance, but I think the biggest reason is that a lot of ppl have emotional barriers that are difficult to overcome (eq refusal to change play, cant deal with stress, etc)
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thanks for doing this. very good read obv. i hope you can answer my questions 
1- how is being a huge baller? why you don't have a HUGE house w/ 4-5cool cars in the garage? you can buy everything you want. how is this felling? how you enjoin your money? do you make any sick travels?
2- why you don't play 6max? you don't like it or you don't think you are that good at 6m?
3- why 25/50 is so hard?? you said you get pwned in the early at 25/50, any ''aha momment'' at 25/50?? i know its hard talk about this, w/e. i have a felling that 25/50 regs (the good regs) are more close to 100/200 regs than the 10/20 regs. i mean, i feel 25/50 has a HUGE diference to 10/20, while 25/50 to 100/200 don't have that big diference... is this right? and what/where a 10/20 reg should focus to beat 25/50 players? (i know sounds like a 25nl question lol. obv depends a lot, but if you could say few things about this...)
4- sorry if this is boring, but after reading your answer to rumnchess, i need quote masterLJ:
we played few hands, maybe you don't remember, was 12-14months ago at 10/20 and a small session... but id apreciate if you could say something about my game. if you remember anything about our match id love to hear. i have a felling you think i was bad/weak.
5- about durrrr and isildur... who gave you more trouble? is it possible say isildur1 is top5 at NL HU?
6- any chance you post some graph? id like to see your 25/50nlhu all hands graph.
side note: i used to think you didn't tilt, but last year when we played 10/20 (you already playing a ton of 25/50 and some 50/100, so 10/20 for you was small stakes) after you lose a pot you said ''lol you flat K8o oop?? fish''. i get very disapointed because you was my idol...
anyway, you still my idol!! id love see you playing 500-1k. also id like to say congratz for the big sucess you hit.
1- how is being a huge baller? why you don't have a HUGE house w/ 4-5cool cars in the garage? you can buy everything you want. how is this felling? how you enjoin your money? do you make any sick travels?
2- why you don't play 6max? you don't like it or you don't think you are that good at 6m?
3- why 25/50 is so hard?? you said you get pwned in the early at 25/50, any ''aha momment'' at 25/50?? i know its hard talk about this, w/e. i have a felling that 25/50 regs (the good regs) are more close to 100/200 regs than the 10/20 regs. i mean, i feel 25/50 has a HUGE diference to 10/20, while 25/50 to 100/200 don't have that big diference... is this right? and what/where a 10/20 reg should focus to beat 25/50 players? (i know sounds like a 25nl question lol. obv depends a lot, but if you could say few things about this...)
4- sorry if this is boring, but after reading your answer to rumnchess, i need quote masterLJ:
we played few hands, maybe you don't remember, was 12-14months ago at 10/20 and a small session... but id apreciate if you could say something about my game. if you remember anything about our match id love to hear. i have a felling you think i was bad/weak.
5- about durrrr and isildur... who gave you more trouble? is it possible say isildur1 is top5 at NL HU?
6- any chance you post some graph? id like to see your 25/50nlhu all hands graph.
side note: i used to think you didn't tilt, but last year when we played 10/20 (you already playing a ton of 25/50 and some 50/100, so 10/20 for you was small stakes) after you lose a pot you said ''lol you flat K8o oop?? fish''. i get very disapointed because you was my idol...
anyway, you still my idol!! id love see you playing 500-1k. also id like to say congratz for the big sucess you hit.
2. I do play 6max, but not as much. Relatively speaking I'm much better at hu and also it APPEARS that hu has lower variance.
3. Many of the really good players play 25/50 + and not so much 10/20, and they also tend to be many of the few that will play you. Two ahah moments were the idea of using betting/raising for more than just strict EV and also the idea of maximizing value by betting thinner on the turn than checking and betting riv (more applied). You're obs of the difference of the regs of the stakes is correct.
4. I actually thought you were pretty difficult, but probably a bit bluffhappy in scenarios where bluffing isnt a good idea. Also, you really need to work on not getting so tilted and spewing off chips in one way or another (OBV).
5. probly isildur, yes
6. don't have nearly all the data, I posted a graph before of some of my hands
05-20-2010
, 12:00 PM
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Jungleman you are awesome..
Anyway...
If all your bankroll was taken away how long do you think you could reach 50/100 with a $10k starting roll? (obv I dont know a figure for the bankroll needed for 50/100 but maybe you can state that)
How would you then take shots and what games you you be wanting to play?
Is it worth it for me a 100NL - 400NL reg to learn HU PLO - I play mainly HUNL and make like 5PTBB/100? How long does it take to learn PLO (I know nothing about it), and how would you advise me going about it if you were in my shoes...
Are there any other games you think will get popular (excluding mixed games), that are particularly weak.
Sorry if any of these question have been asked before.
Anyway...
If all your bankroll was taken away how long do you think you could reach 50/100 with a $10k starting roll? (obv I dont know a figure for the bankroll needed for 50/100 but maybe you can state that)
How would you then take shots and what games you you be wanting to play?
Is it worth it for me a 100NL - 400NL reg to learn HU PLO - I play mainly HUNL and make like 5PTBB/100? How long does it take to learn PLO (I know nothing about it), and how would you advise me going about it if you were in my shoes...
Are there any other games you think will get popular (excluding mixed games), that are particularly weak.
Sorry if any of these question have been asked before.
Yeah, probably. Lot's of money in hu plo and you might wish you had learned it when you move up and action is scarce. The sooner the better... Obv play at a stake lower than what youre used to and move up.
I have no idea, plo will probably get popular
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Hey dude, thanks for doing this!
When you call pre OOP vs a rather standard say NL400 reg, with a cbet % of ~75. 100bb effective stacks
1. Do you have a donk betting range on any flop? If not, how low does his cbet % have to be for you to have on?
2. What factors do you take into account when deciding whether to c/c or c/r? Which ones are the most important?
When you call pre OOP vs a rather standard say NL400 reg, with a cbet % of ~75. 100bb effective stacks
1. Do you have a donk betting range on any flop? If not, how low does his cbet % have to be for you to have on?
2. What factors do you take into account when deciding whether to c/c or c/r? Which ones are the most important?
2.How often the other guy barrels on later streets, how often other guy hero calls down, cbet %, what the other guy's cbetting range is composed of, what % he opens, my image, my relative hand strength obv, and maybe history/"game flow" in particular. The other guy's stats are most important, ie opening % and cbetting %--they signify the strength of his range.
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what do you think is the most underused +ev play in the mid stakes game or what do you think is the most underused/ misinterpreted concept in these games.
for example do people suck at 3barrel bluffing. im sure you can work out what im getting at. basically can u pick a few areas where the average low/mid stakes winner could make big improvements
cheers man
for example do people suck at 3barrel bluffing. im sure you can work out what im getting at. basically can u pick a few areas where the average low/mid stakes winner could make big improvements
cheers man
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if you are a strong 6max and HU player at 5/10-10/20 whilst waiting for action HU, is it more profitable to try and play all the regs HU, or tableselect some 6max tables.
assume you are playing about 3 HU tables while waiting, or 6 6max tables while waiting
btw, if strong 6max and HU player is too vague, just answer as if i were referring to you
assume you are playing about 3 HU tables while waiting, or 6 6max tables while waiting
btw, if strong 6max and HU player is too vague, just answer as if i were referring to you
The concept of negative energy is incorrect, it's not as though anger is stored and exists until you release it. It's actually a bad idea to engage in destructive behavior when angry (too lazy to explain why atm), and much more beneficial to cope. (lol @ me saying this, it's the truth but I'm not very good at following it)
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Appreciate you doing this. Have a couple questions.
Seems like you're pretty big on playing regs. Was that always the case for you while moving up in stakes? It seems pretty hard to get action from most regs at lower stakes.
You said you started very small at HU cash.. Any chance you could post a graph of your transition through the stakes?
Do you smoke? Before/during/after sessions? Regardless, thoughts on that?
Thanks again
Seems like you're pretty big on playing regs. Was that always the case for you while moving up in stakes? It seems pretty hard to get action from most regs at lower stakes.
You said you started very small at HU cash.. Any chance you could post a graph of your transition through the stakes?
Do you smoke? Before/during/after sessions? Regardless, thoughts on that?
Thanks again
unfortunately I lost my database twice so I no longer have the graphs
I do smoke, but kind of occasionally. I get high pretty easily, but I don't like being high all the time (pretty sure I can't do anything well high). I never smoke before sessions, sometimes after esp if I've lost money. It's fun and really interesting, and I believe relatively safe, ie no long term damage resulting from it?
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You mentioned how beneficial a hud has been to your game. Does that continue to apply against players your more familiar with? Do you look to your stats for indications of gear changing or alterations in lines taken by guys like Ike or Isildur?
congrats on all your success
congrats on all your success
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I think this is interesting. Could you explain this a bit more. Do the bigger edges vs regs come because you kind of have their mind already(ABC poker) and know what they are doing thus making hand reading easier, and as long as you know how to go to the next level, it makes them more exploitable? It seems to me that as players improve, hand reading can become more precise and regs become more predictable. How do you sort of know when to take it to the next level? Is it common now for you to see a dry board and be like, "ok, this guy is cbetting this a lot because it's a dry board so I'm going to c/r wide" or "I know this guy is probably checking back this wet board because it isn't a good board to cbet and he probably doesn't want to get checkraised so I'm going to barrel him."
05-20-2010
, 12:49 PM
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, 04:48 PM
05-21-2010
, 04:08 PM
wtf is this. ignore this jungleman, keep it going
05-22-2010
, 08:40 AM
pretty wisely I occasionally ball it up though (PARTYBUS!!!)
yes, I don't study/go to class/do school **** nearly enough
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K pLEASE ignore this .. Was a really crazy night and i was an idiot at the time lol..
How important do you feel talking to other players is? Do you think its possible for a players that never discusses poker with friends to succeed?
How much time did it take you to become a really good PLO player once you decided to learn the game better??
.. Was a really crazy night and i was an idiot at the time lol..How important do you feel talking to other players is? Do you think its possible for a players that never discusses poker with friends to succeed?
How much time did it take you to become a really good PLO player once you decided to learn the game better??
Not sure how good I am at PLO, my ptr for it is a bit misleading (although it totally missed a +200k session vs Benefield), and I'm still learning stuff.
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hello ive only played hu nlhe since i leared poker but im trying to get into hu plo. in hold'em my strategy is basically to focus on peoples bluff & value ranges and what they do with them, in omaha you cant really do this right? can you talk abot how you categorize opponents hands in plo?
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This question is about mining information from showdowns and fully integrating all the information available into proper adjustments. It seems like it's easy to glaze over certain implications of information gained at showdown and how certain actions effect other parts of a villains range in later hands. I'm curious how a person can get good at not missing any of the implications of a showdown hand and learning to know what a certain action on a certain street means for the rest of his range.
It's easy to say, see that a villain is calling down way too light and adjust to a more thin valuebetting strategy for example, but seemingly more difficult to notice other things like if a player is betting in a certain spot, how that effects his ranges when he checks, checkraises, or checkcalls.
I'm tired of missing stuff and not adjusting to available info. Thanks.
It's easy to say, see that a villain is calling down way too light and adjust to a more thin valuebetting strategy for example, but seemingly more difficult to notice other things like if a player is betting in a certain spot, how that effects his ranges when he checks, checkraises, or checkcalls.
I'm tired of missing stuff and not adjusting to available info. Thanks.
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If you were to move down and randomly play .25/.50 hu do you think you would win like 80% of your sessions or is there too much variance for your skill to give you that much of an edge?
Can you recommend any coaches in particular with no bias for NLHU or 6max games that are <200 per hr?
Can you recommend any coaches in particular with no bias for NLHU or 6max games that are <200 per hr?
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If someone has all the natural 'talents' to become good at poker except for a passion for the game, what percentage of their potential can they achieve (I suppose potential meaning if they had the passion).
Vague I know, but it's basically a way of me asking you how vital to becoming very good at poker it is to have a passion for the game instead of just playing for money.
Vague I know, but it's basically a way of me asking you how vital to becoming very good at poker it is to have a passion for the game instead of just playing for money.
school).I've played several sessions about that long, so pretty much yeah.
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good stuff jungleman
if I watch a training vid, it's usually from a 5k+ player (CTS, Brian T, etc). Their thought process/play is obviously advanced, but it's usually stuff that I've either thought of before or already use in my game. I realize that these players are necessarily orders of magnitude better than me, so I'm left wondering:
1) are most instructors holding some things (a lot of things?) back when they do a video?
2) what type of things do you think they aren't saying?
if I watch a training vid, it's usually from a 5k+ player (CTS, Brian T, etc). Their thought process/play is obviously advanced, but it's usually stuff that I've either thought of before or already use in my game. I realize that these players are necessarily orders of magnitude better than me, so I'm left wondering:
1) are most instructors holding some things (a lot of things?) back when they do a video?
2) what type of things do you think they aren't saying?
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What mix of correctly applying what's fairly well known vs. knowing more/understanding the game better typically gives someone an edge? (NLH / PLO?)
It seems like there's been a rapid increase in the general level of knowledge about NLH in recent years. Do you think it will (has?) slow down, and maybe plateau to the point where most solid regs have nothing left to learn? Or will there always be a novel way to approach it?
It seems like there's been a rapid increase in the general level of knowledge about NLH in recent years. Do you think it will (has?) slow down, and maybe plateau to the point where most solid regs have nothing left to learn? Or will there always be a novel way to approach it?
well yeah unless someone decides to really apply science/tech to answering how to play nl, progress certainly has slowed down recently. I don't think there will also be a novel way to approach but possibly always more to learn.
lol, I saw that Seinfeld episode!
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Hey jungle, thx for doing this
few questions...
when you tilt, how long will it last? do u feel that u are lacking discipline at all when u tilt?
are u an organized person, do u mostly do whats important over what u want to do?
what would u recommend to a player that crushes 50nl 100nl NLH switching to PLO if he's only played it for about 2k hands and does not have much knowledge about this game?
theres a lot of information that helped my perspective for poker cencepts from all these great players wells...
is there a simple line that you could share with us on how to view poker in terms of making the most $$$
few questions...
when you tilt, how long will it last? do u feel that u are lacking discipline at all when u tilt?
are u an organized person, do u mostly do whats important over what u want to do?
what would u recommend to a player that crushes 50nl 100nl NLH switching to PLO if he's only played it for about 2k hands and does not have much knowledge about this game?
theres a lot of information that helped my perspective for poker cencepts from all these great players wells...
is there a simple line that you could share with us on how to view poker in terms of making the most $$$
I'm actually really disorganized on paper (setup is a MESS), but organized in thought process/execution because it's necessary.
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Do you feel like you play better stoned 1 tabling?
Also, sometimes when I come home drunk, it isn't a ****faced drunk but a more aggro focused you can't punk me drunk, and I play regs in HU Cash (I usually never play HUCash).
Anyway I feel great when I play like this, I feel like isildur, and I feel like I kno wtf I'm doing even tho I probably don't. Is this a recipe for busto?..and do you ever play wasted and feel like you can just dominate whoever your playing
Also, sometimes when I come home drunk, it isn't a ****faced drunk but a more aggro focused you can't punk me drunk, and I play regs in HU Cash (I usually never play HUCash).
Anyway I feel great when I play like this, I feel like isildur, and I feel like I kno wtf I'm doing even tho I probably don't. Is this a recipe for busto?..and do you ever play wasted and feel like you can just dominate whoever your playing
maybe, it's at least a recipe for fps and/or tilt. I never play stakes that I care about drunk but it's possible that you can happen to play better when drunk, although it shouldn't be the case.
3.5 milish, TR is about 1 mil or so off for total profits on FT
05-22-2010
, 12:58 PM
