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06-11-2012 , 07:20 AM
hey guys, trying to get more into poker so some basic questions if my math is right here:
Durrrr tweets this

Quote:
Good player- 250x {gp} raises to 3.5x, I cover, and 11x 47ss on button, businessman {bm} (plays good tho) calls, gp calls. Flop 9h9s4h.

Chk, chk, I check here about 90% of the time, but this time I bet 19x planning on calling, bm shoves for 55x total, gp folds.

Now as everyone who knows me can verify; if I plan on folding I often talk myself into a call, but if I plan on calling its about .01% I fld

I tank and tank and call myself an idiot and somehow find it in myself to fold. And I'm feeling pretty happy w/ myself

I then pay 2500$ (us- feel free to guess at stakes from this) to see his hand, and lose my mind as he flips kqhh. Fmllll
so basically he would have to risk 32k to win 107k- so that's 3.3 : 1 pot odds which is 23% equity to breakeven but he has twice as much equity (47% equity) with his hand and that's why he made a bad fold? Am I correct?
06-11-2012 , 07:26 AM
didn't you know bro? math is idiotic
06-11-2012 , 08:26 AM


in b4 we get hammered 3-0
06-11-2012 , 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean_Hi
didn't you know bro? math is idiotic
loool
06-11-2012 , 08:43 AM
i find it more impressive he pays 2.5k to see his hand.

balla
06-11-2012 , 10:40 AM
I have started to open 2x otb lately and it somehow works good for me.
I just wanna ask u if u find it profitable to defend Ax sooted against a 3x 3bet vs sb/bb with a 3b%~7% and if yes, how often would u call....
06-11-2012 , 10:47 AM
at micros i just muck anything less than like ajs there
06-11-2012 , 10:50 AM


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Last edited by Sean_Hi; 06-11-2012 at 11:04 AM.
06-11-2012 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolan6
just got done with a silly-long argument about how many nine year olds i could beat up assuming they come at me from all angles and have the pain threshold of an average 9 year old, although they do want you dead so perhaps don't give up as easily.

assume im average 20yo white male (im not**, and this probably accounted for a decent % of the disagreement but anyway)

number?
Think it would all depend on how long you could stay on your feet. Once you go down it would be pretty hard to get back up. Depending on how tactical they were (like all rushing you at once to knock you down) I think more than 10 would be hard.
06-11-2012 , 11:03 AM
OK I have no idea who the good players are at the live poker forum, so I'll also submit this here.

Here's a hand I played in a live home game last weekend. $1/$2 home game. I have a tight / straightforward image and we are 8 handed. UTG had been playing straightforward but raising his straddles a couple of times. UTG+1 is a pro dealer / tourney manager at local card room and an ok player but stacks off light. MP is a drooler/gambler. CO is a mixed bag of aggro IP/passive oop. Not very range aware. He’s positionally aware when the aggressor and IP, totally oblivious of it when oop e.g. loves to call raises from anywhere with suited junk likes 63s, 74s - even from 60bb shortstacks. He doesn't usually pay off huge post but will play larger pots than he should with medium/weak hands.
UTG and CO esp are on the aggressive side, but it’s live 1/2 meaning lots of 4-5 people to the flop and lots of limp-calling.


UTG: $100
UTG +1: $100
MP: $230
CO: $500+
BTN (hero): $500+

Hero: QTdd

UTG puts in $4 live straddle. UTG +1 calls, 1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls, 2 folds.

I over-limp with a suited non-premium hand here. At first I started agreeing with people advising to raise but the more I think about it the more it seems useless. Not sure why people are on auto-raise mode just because they have the button. Seems like a robotic play. This is a game where raising never thins out the field and where flop cbets have very minimum FE, so what's the point other than "lolz I has the button I raise"? A button over-limping range of non-premium broadways, suited aces, SCs and small PPs seems totally fin. I'm also getting paid off by UTG+1 and MP regardless of SPRs pre so I don’t see a point in raising the flop other than initiative, which in a 4-5 mw flop amounts to nothing. Thoughts?

UTG raises $25 on top
UTG + 1 calls, MP calls, CO folds, Hero?

Arguments for a fold:

- SS straddler put in ~25% of his stack in the middle vs 4 limpers and has to be very strong.
- Even if he pas me off, he was only 50bbs deep to start the hand.
- UTG+1 will pay me off but he's also only 50bbs deep.
- MP is a loose pay off machine but even he is not particularly deep with about 115bbs.

Arguments for a call:

- MP is a massive drooler.
- I have position.
- I am getting priced in getting ~4:1 pot odds.


If CO overcalls, it’s a no-brainer call IMO. With only MP calling I think there are arguments for and against but mostly against. If MP folding it’s a snap fold.

Thoughts welcome.
06-11-2012 , 11:09 AM
online i fold
live i probably call because pretty cards
06-11-2012 , 11:20 AM


this girl is the devil
06-11-2012 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
most people just autocbet Axxr, so randomize by floating Axx with a club (or 2 obviously). reverse float. just play it the same as if you had AQ/AJ/AT. call flop, when turn checks through, lead river. you should be flatting AJ/AQ there preflop as well.

like what is he doing to do with 77 on Axx? cbet check then fold to a river lead. or flop, call turn, fold river.

don't 3bet because "omg I don't know what do do when I get cbet into so let's end the hand here"

the reason you 3bet broadways from the SB vs CO/BTN/steal opens is because BB has the option to squeeze and you'll always be oop. at lower stakes BB isn't squeezing enough hence you can just flat the SB. KQs is way too big of a hand to turn into a bluff by 3betting preflop.

if you don't believe me here is the stove:



1,041,080,832 games 0.001 secs 1,041,080,832,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.464% 49.16% 03.30% 511791668 34405184.00 { 77+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 47.536% 44.23% 03.30% 460478796 34405184.00 { KQs }

---

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,171,215,936 games 0.000 secs 234,243,187,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.202% 49.26% 02.94% 576964268 34434464.00 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 47.798% 44.86% 02.94% 525382740 34434464.00 { KQs }

first stove is "top 14%" of hands, 2nd stove is a more realistic range of what he is opening. these percents are assumed there is NO preflop edge.
That post you referenced looks like a page out of my e-book almost ver batem. Coinsidence I guess
06-11-2012 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
haha i said over the sample size i have im not beating 10nl cause i played that when i was a fish

dont worry ive beaten 50 and even 100nl for a decent bit
i was only joking , ive seen ur 50nl hu graph..

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadude77
was $5 within nl50 shot and then had this
really waiting for $5... why not just take a shot then rather than grinding out another $5 ...
06-11-2012 , 12:48 PM
i'm so scared come on england one time

itv adverts are so tilting
06-11-2012 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by YouFaiil
i was only joking , ive seen ur 50nl hu graph..



really waiting for $5... why not just take a shot then rather than grinding out another $5 ...
I had gotten within $5 and then put sit out next bb all tables, and then this hand happened
06-11-2012 , 01:39 PM
You don't need *exactly* $XXXX to play a certain stake you know.... That $5 more or less isn't going to make you anymore comfortable than you already are with your relative skill level & confidence.
06-11-2012 , 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschool
That post you referenced looks like a page out of my e-book almost ver batem. Coinsidence I guess

Last edited by Yngwie Malmsteen; 06-11-2012 at 02:33 PM. Reason: I just love this gif
06-11-2012 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzied Deity
You don't need *exactly* $XXXX to play a certain stake you know.... That $5 more or less isn't going to make you anymore comfortable than you already are with your relative skill level & confidence.
i kinda do, its in the agreement with staker when i got to $1k, if i was $5 less that wouldn't be big deal, but then i lost some so
06-11-2012 , 02:48 PM
waw england was kinda lucky
06-11-2012 , 02:48 PM
no they played alright imo
06-11-2012 , 03:01 PM
england deserved to win... but still a solid start, it would of been terrible for a side like us to lose the first game.
06-11-2012 , 03:02 PM
i havent watched the games today, how did eng-fra go?
06-11-2012 , 03:03 PM
1-1

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06-11-2012 , 03:21 PM
easy come

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1794102
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

andAmarew: $20.61
2656913: $24.38
Draugsvoll: $15.48
Hubson: $12.60
Hotei777: $10.64
Hero (): $10.79

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is with 6 4
1 fold, Hotei777 raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds, Draugsvoll calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.65) K 4 4 (3 players)
Draugsvoll checks, Hotei777 bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31, Draugsvoll calls $0.31

Turn: ($1.58) 2 (3 players)
Draugsvoll checks, Hotei777 checks, Hero bets $1, Draugsvoll calls $1, Hotei777 raises to $3.30, Hero calls $2.30, Draugsvoll folds

River: ($9.18) T (2 players)
Hotei777 bets $4.38, Hero raises to $6.98 all in, Hotei777 calls $2.45 all in

Final Pot: $22.84
Hotei777 mucks K A
Hero shows 6 4 (three of a kind, Fours)
Hero wins $21.81
(Rake: $1.03)



easy go

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1794103
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

anreyk23: $12.02
2656913: $18.44
Rom.spb: $3.24
tomczech777: $10.25
Hero (): $20.50
firewalkw/m3: $26.14

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, 2656913 raises to $0.80, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.70) 7 8 4 (2 players)
2656913 bets $1.30, Hero raises to $3.80, 2656913 raises to $11.05, Hero raises to $19.70 all in, 2656913 calls $6.59 all in

Turn: ($36.98) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($36.98) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $36.98
2656913 shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
Hero shows 7 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
2656913 wins $35.48
(Rake: $1.50)

      
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