Two things off the bat -

1) - Im a noob at NL.
2) - I have a limit background

So I'm reading the thread by verneer about moving up (very cool btw) and i came across one portion of the discussion where a poster made the following comment regarding a 3! range.:

Now I don't want to get into the aspects of whether you should or shouldn't 3-Bet JTs, what I'm most curious about is the last part, regarding if he is deep stacked or not....

I see these statements a lot, and I don't know why one situation favors another.

Can some one answer in generalities, again i don't want to get into specifically JTs, unless it is totally relevant to why you'd 3! or not.

Thanks,

Sarge

you have alot more FE when your deep

My 3! have been around 3X the previous bet. If I'm playing deep and using Fold Equity as a component of bet sizing/leverage - should I be increasing that to 3.5 or 4X the previous bet. (generally speaking - realizing that given specific reads it may change)

Sarge

Do you?

I think it's mainly because of more implied odds?

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when you're deep you will get flatted with a wider range due to better implied odds

And you are less likely to be blown off your hand (at uNL at least)

what i mean is with a speculative hand like JT, it is profitable to play because when you flop equity in a hand, you bet and combining FE with your PE you can make +EV plays. The deeper you are the more FE you have, opponents wont be willing to stack off with TP type hands 200BB deep.

Who's implied odds? Mine? Wouldn't it be the villains if I'm the one that is deep has better implied odds? - why would I want to give my villians better implied odds?

I can see my FE going up though...

Sarge

Think it's the villain's implied odds when calling your 3-bet. You can't really do much to reduce them if you're both deep unless you make an oversized 3-bet.

I think there's not really much disagreement since mjbizzle was talking about fe post-flop. Though I think even deep it'll be hard to get a villain off a top pair type hand at the micros. Still, you'll have enough fe to fire some barrels on certain board textures, especially if you flop equity and if villain flats with a wider range pre and misses a lot of flops.

wtf? yes your villains implied odds. did i say you want/should give him better implied odds? just pointing out that when you're deep villain is calling you with a wider range when you 3bet because he has better implied odds and that is why you do not have more FE when you're deep like that one guy above was suggesting

read my post, i explained that you have more FE post flop not pre.

you can put more pressure on people when deep and in position.

When you're deep, you have more implied odds so your "drawy" hands increase in value