he is playing 19/14/2.1
fold to 3bet 67% ,4bet 0

Would you cbet on this board,while playing i decided not and just go c/f because i think only that he folds is AT,99(if he is even calling with that)





[converted_hand][hand_history]Entraction, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BTN: $25.68 (128.4 bb)
SB: $17.29 (86.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $34.65 (173.2 bb)
MP: $20.70 (103.5 bb)
CO: $23.65 (118.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q J
MP folds, CO raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.40, CO calls $1.70

Flop: ($4.90) T J K (2 players)

I wouldnt 3 bet preflop. Postflop im betting large and calling off theres no bebate about it. Even agaisnt the top of his range your doing ok with atleast 30% equity.

hmm pre is kinda marginal but flatting probably isn't going to be great I would prefer it if this were btn vs bb.

C/c flop looks good

Pre isn't marginal, 3betting is bad and calling is bad, just fold against this guy.

I'd b/f ½pot on this flop, with the intention of barreling any turn if called

I really dislike check calling the flop for alot of obvious reasons.

With the preflop raise, i think it's all B/F. I'd have to say the more likely hand for him is just some sort of pair, hopefully underpair. If he calls or worse raises flop, done with it.

Turn bet will be for value or we're trying to make him fold better? If we get called otf we're screwed and people don't like to fold pair+draw/2pairs imo.
It feels like c/f and c/c are slightly better than b/f. But i might be wrong :/

check folding is the worst option as i stated above even agaisnt the top of his range you have good equity. Check calling accomplishes a few things 1stly it gives up initiatve and any fold equity you have on the flop. Secondly it gives up a huge chunk of equity when you miss the turn because you wont see a river often.

You 3 bet preflop and hit a very good flop for your hand with alot of equity even if your behind at this time. Time to man up and play the hand. Bet close to pot and easy call if he shoves.

It would be a semi bluff.

If you get called otf you have to shove turn Which is why i bet slightly larger on the flop. Theres really no getting away from the hand postflop you have to bet it aggesivley and if he plays back you need to be willing to go with it.

You cant 3 bet and be willing to get away from $5 pot when you have alot of equity in the hand.

(1) 6%
Hand 0: 75.723% 72.56% 03.16% 34482 1501.50 { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 24.277% 21.12% 03.16% 10035 1501.50 { QdJs }

He has PFR 14, lets say 18% from CO, 67%foldto3bet, this makes 6%
Not doing good against this 6%

Against a tight range at the top of villians calling range you have 30% equity

KK+,JJ-TT,AKs,AKo

If you want to open up and add aq you have 23% equity

KK+,JJ-TT,AKs,AKo

if you want to open up further you have 44% equity.

77+,AQs+,AQo+


even your own eqasion has
TT+,AJs+,AJo+ 24% equity


I mean you 3 bet jqos preflop and want to check fold a flop that hits you pretty big. Im happy with those scenerios above. If your not happy to bet on this flop then like i say he should never 3b preflop.

Somewhere there is the point.
This is obviosly not a good flop for QJ cause its behind almost everything.

i dont really lke barreling when called, wtf is anyone ever folding turn with?

I don't see the problem with 3Betting QJo to steal when he folds 67% of the time? And with stats of 14/19, he's fit or folding post flop - so we take it down often with a cbet when he misses sets and TP (quite often). I also don't agree with the ranges discussed. Being a fit n folder, his range for calling 3B pre is more likely QQ-22 and AK. So it's a pretty standard spot isn't it?

It would be hard to find a worse spot to 3bet a tight player.

Anyway this hand gets played sucks, trying to get the money in sucks because you are never ahead and have 30% best case scenario. C/calling is just stupid, c/f and b/f suck slightly less than the other two options. I would c/f because we are getting raised so often here.

My range for him calling pre is QQ-22 and AK. So we take it down very often with a cbet and if called have outs to a very strong hand. We can fold if he raises flop.......

He's playing 14% PFR and 67% fold to 3bet, 22-88 should never be in his range here.

That's on face value. His range is wider from the CO. I'd think it's pretty standard he opens all paints, pp's & As from the CO (20%);

33% Calling 3B x 20% opening range = 6.6% - OK, perhaps remove AK, AA-JJ which he can 4bet with, but I would imagine we are left with mainly pp's and a few broadway sc's for here for the 6.6% total. 19/14 PLAY this way. They call pp's to set mine with position - then fit n fold post flop - stabbing a few times when checked to on flop and turns.

I mean, if you exclude pp's here, what on earth are you replacing his calling range with for that 6%? TT-22 = 4%, throw in a few broadway suits and you have 6%. Seems most likely to me. I have notes on so many villains that play this way with similar stats (just so you know where I'm coming from :P

.... hence why I don't see the problem with 3B him pre with QJo. He folds almost 70% of his range consoldiated. But that stat would be higher again from CO and BTN.

I can see where you're coming from but I don't agree at all. It's fairly obvious this isn't a large sample size (67% generally means 2/3 opportunities) so that stat isn't as important as PFR is. Based on that, QJ is dominated so often here it would be better to just throw it away.

I agree you can 3bet a player like this fairly wide but not with hands that are crushed by his range (QJ, KJ, KT, QT, etc.)

Please just fold this preflop, 3bet is very bad as well as calling specially being 120bb deep.

Yeah, I also see your point. And TBH I'm playing Devs Advocate. I'd just fold it pre anyway. I like to 3B this guy fairly wide but would prefer suited Axs / low sc's. :\

b/f 2.20 to get him to fold out any medium PP he's calling with and see a cheap turn.

obv IF he calls with a medium pp that's ok so long as he doesn't take the pot away later but I don't think we can give up on this pot just yet since we really have no idea what his 3b calling range is especially if we've been 3betting with any frequency. If he's the type to flat PPs and SCers we have FE against a ton of those hands on this board. This kinda sounds like 'seeing where we're at' but I believe it's best play here + we have equity vs his flop calling range.